The S@sksten saga, of course.
BD38 Reclassified! Now Prohibited!
- Thread starter Desert_Fox
- Start date
The S@sksten saga, of course.
Had an old high-school pal that we used to go shooting together, his Snider, my .43 Mauser, shaking the hoarfrost off the hydro lines in midwinter, that kind of thing.
He passed away in July, basically partied himself to the point that the old ticker just could not handle any more, gave it up.
He was a car dealer, worked in Edmonton. Really good guy to have on your side; work together and you both made money, but screw him over and you might as well cut your own throat.
Bank screwed him over once, so he got back at them. Took out a loan, bought three almost-new Caddies (the big, old ones, eight tons each of chrome and cubic inches), and then PARTED THEM OUT, didn't bother making more than the first payment on the Bank loan. When the Bank sent its guys after "their" Caddies, Larry gave them the frame sections with the VIN plates attached..... and there was NOTHING they could do about it. It was right in the law: frame section with the I.D. IS the vehicle. They huffed and they puffed and they threatened warrants and lawsuits and everything else but HE was in the right..... by THEIR book.
Same thing firearms. A Luger is registered by the GRIP FRAME; you can have a BUSHEL of uppers and all you have is spare parts. The GRIP FRAME is the Gun; it is what has to be registered.
Food for thought?
But any "call-in" MUST be a buy-out at RETAIL prices.
It would be SO nice if we could elect a serious shooter as PM......... one who UNDERSTANDS what is going on and does not automatically "defer to authority".
Registration = delayed confiscation.
Proven...... again.
He passed away in July, basically partied himself to the point that the old ticker just could not handle any more, gave it up.
He was a car dealer, worked in Edmonton. Really good guy to have on your side; work together and you both made money, but screw him over and you might as well cut your own throat.
Bank screwed him over once, so he got back at them. Took out a loan, bought three almost-new Caddies (the big, old ones, eight tons each of chrome and cubic inches), and then PARTED THEM OUT, didn't bother making more than the first payment on the Bank loan. When the Bank sent its guys after "their" Caddies, Larry gave them the frame sections with the VIN plates attached..... and there was NOTHING they could do about it. It was right in the law: frame section with the I.D. IS the vehicle. They huffed and they puffed and they threatened warrants and lawsuits and everything else but HE was in the right..... by THEIR book.
Same thing firearms. A Luger is registered by the GRIP FRAME; you can have a BUSHEL of uppers and all you have is spare parts. The GRIP FRAME is the Gun; it is what has to be registered.
Food for thought?
But any "call-in" MUST be a buy-out at RETAIL prices.
It would be SO nice if we could elect a serious shooter as PM......... one who UNDERSTANDS what is going on and does not automatically "defer to authority".
Registration = delayed confiscation.
Proven...... again.
Last edited:
Ah, ok. Thanks for the tip. I went back and did some reading. Really sad situation for everyone.
Thats the only part of the gun that "is the gun". That is the only registered part of it.Hence why we can stil own AK mags, stocks, barrels etc. If I had a BD38, thats exactly what I would do if no compensation ws being offered. They are full of schitt for saying its capable of Full Auto fire in the first place. Bunch of lying pricks.
Bazzoka_Joe
Regular
- Location
- PRQ(People Replublic of Quebec)
there past statu was NR or restricted ?
Yes, but other places have coloured folk, and that might not suit you and your flag. If you need someone to witness your Passport photo, let me know.
- Location
- Pile of Bones, SK
- Location
- Leduc County, Alberta
Thanks for the copies of the FRT, polkey. Appreciate it.
Yes, but other places have coloured folk, and that might not suit you and your flag. If you need someone to witness your Passport photo, let me know.
Already have my passport, thank-you very much.
As far as the flag goes, my state was split on the issue.
How's your history, can you guess which one?
The colored folk are just fine, it's the white stuff that bothers me.
If I play my cards right, this will be my last winter in this left-wing socialist country, that I was once proud to be from.
antiqueguy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- windsor ontario
cut up,deact,or fight it its too late to bury them as they are registered
the fact that marstar sold them off for cheap right before they stoped allowing them to be transferred is not right but not much can be done now
the fact that marstar sold them off for cheap right before they stoped allowing them to be transferred is not right but not much can be done now
You don't have any idea of what the mechanism is like, do you?
And the BD3008 is even worse.
To elaborate:
The SCoC Hasselwander decision establishes a legal precedent which generally sets a standard for ease of conversion.
The 38 and 3008 use trigger mechansms that do provide semi auto function. Alteration to auto is pathetically easy. They cannot meet this standard.
One can argue that they were manufactured and sold as semi auto, and that it would be an offence to alter them. True. But the Hasselwander decision voids that argument.
Last edited:
Yes, but other places have coloured folk, and that might not suit you and your flag. If you need someone to witness your Passport photo, let me know.
Wait, What!? Been outside lately?...never mind, opinions truly are like arseholes...
stencollector
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
The problem with Hasselwinder is that they did not set a time or a level for what constitutes "easily". That case, if I remember correctly, revolved around semi auto Uzis, where you could remove the trigger mech from the gun and replace it with a trigger mech from a replica, which converted it to full auto. The police will continually extend the timelines for conversion....in 20 years from now possession of a gun and machine tools will show ease of conversion.
That said, the BD3008 is essentially full auto as it sits. Remove the trigger cover and the sear can be manipulated by hand, giving full auto control over the gun. Small wonder it has been reclassified.
Yes, the Hasselwander precedent does not clearly define ease of conversion.
It is often stated that anything can be converted, given enough time, effort, skill and tools. There is some truth to that. It is because of the time, effort, skills and tools required that most semi autos will meet the standard of not being easy to convert. Not impossible, but not readily convertible. Cetainly not as easily as the two firearms under discussion.
Personally, I support the concept of conversion being an offence, and leaving it at that. But my opinion isn't going to buy you a cup of Timmy's.
It is often stated that anything can be converted, given enough time, effort, skill and tools. There is some truth to that. It is because of the time, effort, skills and tools required that most semi autos will meet the standard of not being easy to convert. Not impossible, but not readily convertible. Cetainly not as easily as the two firearms under discussion.
Personally, I support the concept of conversion being an offence, and leaving it at that. But my opinion isn't going to buy you a cup of Timmy's.
Letter sent to my MP:
"Dear MP Leon Benoit
I was shocked to hear that one of my restricted firearms (SSD BD38) status' had been changed from Restricted (Semi-Auto) to Prohibited (Full-Auto). I have legally owned this newly produced firearm for at least 4+ years (the firearm is a modern semi-auto replica of a very historical/rare/collectible firearm).
Due to age discrimination, I cannot hold a Prohibited licence, however I do hold a current Non-Restricted and Restricted licence and a "collectors permit". I have legally owned this firearm for 4+ years, I am a law abiding citizen and the RCMP have inspected my residence for proper storage in order to obtain my "collectors permit.
I will be outraged if this legally purchased and owned property is confiscated due the "Registration of Firearms" as it would re-enforce the fears that law-abiding citizens have toward firearm registries.
These firearms have been in the country for 6+ years, I know of no documented cases where this particular firearm has been used in a crime.
As a result, I hope that "Grandfather" status is granted to legal owners vs confiscation. This would be the only fair compromise in such a decision and would be the only way to treat property owners/law abiding citizens in a fair and democratic manner.
Thank you for your time and concern."
My Justice of the Peace, stated that my options are to seek legal adivice, wait for a warrant, donate to a museum (get a tax receipt) or consign/sell to a dealer. He also said that I should warn family members to ensure that the house is secure at all times (doors/windows locked - proper storage), ensure that family members do not have access to 'safe storage' and unless the RCMP are at the door with a warrant; family members should not allow access to the residence and should request the RCMP to contact your person.
"Dear MP Leon Benoit
I was shocked to hear that one of my restricted firearms (SSD BD38) status' had been changed from Restricted (Semi-Auto) to Prohibited (Full-Auto). I have legally owned this newly produced firearm for at least 4+ years (the firearm is a modern semi-auto replica of a very historical/rare/collectible firearm).
Due to age discrimination, I cannot hold a Prohibited licence, however I do hold a current Non-Restricted and Restricted licence and a "collectors permit". I have legally owned this firearm for 4+ years, I am a law abiding citizen and the RCMP have inspected my residence for proper storage in order to obtain my "collectors permit.
I will be outraged if this legally purchased and owned property is confiscated due the "Registration of Firearms" as it would re-enforce the fears that law-abiding citizens have toward firearm registries.
These firearms have been in the country for 6+ years, I know of no documented cases where this particular firearm has been used in a crime.
As a result, I hope that "Grandfather" status is granted to legal owners vs confiscation. This would be the only fair compromise in such a decision and would be the only way to treat property owners/law abiding citizens in a fair and democratic manner.
Thank you for your time and concern."
My Justice of the Peace, stated that my options are to seek legal adivice, wait for a warrant, donate to a museum (get a tax receipt) or consign/sell to a dealer. He also said that I should warn family members to ensure that the house is secure at all times (doors/windows locked - proper storage), ensure that family members do not have access to 'safe storage' and unless the RCMP are at the door with a warrant; family members should not allow access to the residence and should request the RCMP to contact your person.
"Grandfather" status.
There is currently no legal provision for additional grandfathering.
It would require legislation to create this.
What are the chances of the gov't introducing and passing amendments to accomplish this?
Might be more effective to press for compensation - won't save your gun, but will lessen the financial sting.
If the gov't has to pay compensation every time the RCMP does this, it may stimulate the government to address the issue.
There is currently no legal provision for additional grandfathering.
It would require legislation to create this.
What are the chances of the gov't introducing and passing amendments to accomplish this?
Might be more effective to press for compensation - won't save your gun, but will lessen the financial sting.
If the gov't has to pay compensation every time the RCMP does this, it may stimulate the government to address the issue.
