Bear Defense for Women

jcoulson64

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Ok, so here's the deal. My mother was alone last night at one of our properties in BC near the NWT border. She woke up in the night to what she thought was more pesky mice screwing around. What she found instead was a large black bear trying to get in the window screen. She slammed the window closed and thus began a long ordeal. The bear was undeterred by yelling, bear bangers etc. She had a sporterized .303 with her but was concerned about what would happen to her eardrums if she fired it indoors. So for the next few hours the bear tried its vest to rip the exterior of the building apart to get at her. It finally seemed to leave so my mother grabbed the rifle and her pillow and went into her van to sleep, rating it as more secure than the flimsy trailer she was in. She woke up a few hours later to the bear ignoring the trailer and trying to tear its way into the van to get her. Having no food etc in the van its a fair bet the bear was after her. She ended up shooting it out of the window. Unfortunately, in the dark she had the wrong magazine and the rounds were FMJ. She got it we think in the guts but her second round jammed. We believe the magazine had been stored full for possibly a good decade and its spring failed. The bear finally was driven off.

So moral of the story, my mothers long practice of not keeping her firearms skills in practice and generally having an unfavorable but accepting view of guns has had to end. It was always few and far between that we ever got her to fire even the rifles we kept for bear defense.

Fortunately she is at this moment ordering my father to re-train her and help her practice with the existing rifle.

Problems discovered:
1. Unfamiliarity with the firearm in question and the operation of its safety.
2. Unfamiliarity with the feeding of the firearm (granted it was dark with no electricity)
3. She found the length of the .303 was excessive when trying to maneuver it in the trailer and van.
4. She found the weight of the firearm was excessive.

Now given these problems and given the fact that she is short and i believe nearly 60 (c'mon, like you havent forgotten your mothers age before) and not particularly strong, I am looking for suggestions on a good bear defense firearm for her. It will have to be light enough for use by a woman, non scoped, preferably short as possible and the recoil must not hurt her more than the bear. We also dont want it so powerful or complicated that she is uncomfortable practicing with it or fearful to employ it.

A handgun is out for obvious reasons. My initial thoughts were a lever action in .44 mag due to the simplicity of operation, controlability in a carbine platform and availability of ammunition.

Your thoughts?
 
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O/U or SxS 12ga with reduced recoil slugs or 00 Buck? Very easy to operate. open, drop in two rounds, close. She's ready to go.

Something like a Maverick HS12?

The "tactical" version has an 18.5" barrel and weighs just over 6 lbs.
 
Remington 870 in 20 gauge -- if she is that small pick up the junior model -- 20 gauge 2 3/4 inch 000 buck will cause any bear to look for greener pastures but if hit he won't get far.

Dave
 
i use a savage scout 308 for bear defence with 168 gr barnes tsx. you can also use some 170 gr reduced recoil rounfds. i thing they are federal fushion lite. has the power of a 30-30.
 
Was hoping to avoid a 12 gauge due to recoil and opt for something more intermediate. Dogs unfortunately aren't a practical option at this time. Besides. This seems like an excellent opportunity to buy another gun to me!

Which is why I said with REDUCED recoil ammo. :D:D:D:D

I took a friend and his wife to the range and she used one of my shotguns with reduced recoil without any issues.

She's a small girl. Five foot nothing, 105 lbs and not very strong at all. I will grant you she is half your mom's age though.
 
I can relate to the problem as my wife and I had a nuisance bear trying to break in as well.
I have been considering the same question and I think a 20 guage pump would be good.
But I'd like something that could have a light attached because these incidents happen at night. I think bears are a bit more bold, perhaps desperate for a midnight snack or something.
 
I like the idea of a 44 magnum lever, it also doesnt leave her limited to only 5 rounds when life and limb are at steak... no pun intended.
If I was on the dinner menu.... I'd want lots of lead between me and the bear.:)

Thankfuly youre mom wasnt hurt.:D
 
O/U or SxS 12ga with reduced recoil slugs or 00 Buck? Very easy to operate. open, drop in two rounds, close. She's ready to go.

Something like a Maverick HS12?

The "tactical" version has an 18.5" barrel and weighs just over 6 lbs.

^This.

If she's not afraid of the recoil of a .303, a 12g won't be that much different. And if she is concerned about the recoil, used a managed recoil round as soulchaser stated.

There is not a lot simpler than a double barrel. Not a lot of moving parts to worry about, no worries of a jam between shots, fast follow up shot. Reloading is about as simple as you can get. No pump releases, mags catches, loading gates....

Drop a 00 in one chamber and a slug in the other, and Yogi is done for.
 
Also, did she by chance use bacon grease as a skin cream? That is one determined bear!!

must be one of those mechanized zombie bears we hear so much about on this forum. egads.

if it was my moms id let her try a 12 gauge or a 30-30 with limbsaver and go with the most comfortable option cause you want her to shoot it more often than the one time she needs to.

my moms can handle a 3030 just get her a weight set and some creotine next xmas
 
I say a 20ga SxS coach gun and a pair of earmuffs. short, light and easy to maneuver. Simple as sin to load and operate. And a 20ga slug at close range will ruin yogi's day in a hurry! Keep the earmuffs with it and theres no concern of firing it indoors!
 
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