If the firearm is a dedicated defense gun and not used for hunting it is a up close and personal firearm. Optics are just not needed. Fast accurate inside 30 - 50yrds must go bang every time. As has been said bears move sickengly fast you must get on target the same way. For me a red dot is the answer.
Bear Defense Rifle Optic?
- Thread starter M.w.wolf
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Which is why I chose ghost ring peep sights for this purpose. Fast, and harder to screw up than any optic. And yes, bears are fast, as fast as a running horse. And they seem a lot faster when they are running towards you. - dan
I get that. Im only a couple years behind you and I can already see (pardon the play on words) the deterioration. Darkness plays pure hell with eyesight. - dan
Bad 5hit often happens at night. That's why I strongly believe that rifles/shotguns used for defence need a way to mount a light.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Still irons, I’m forty now so we’ll see how it goes, but started at 20/10 and I’ve slid a bit in the annual eye exam, but not much. At 15 yards, I’ll be serviceable until I can’t carry the rifle I figure. Most of it is instinctive anyhow, like shooting a recurve bow.
im over 55 still not wear glasses but at dim or night it is harder now ... it is way harder to hit the gong at 200m in those days that it was at 50 and younger ...
Agree, just finished slapping a take off single slot base on mine for the quick detach O-Light Baldr Mini.
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Got to do it for a living, only used the sensible choice, irons.
Love that double, would love to see a light weight over under built for hard life, stainless synthetic etc. for forward mounted no battery reflex like holosun scs/ecs and a few rail slots under fore tip of stock like a first gen ruger pc9 for the qd light/lasers. And not as heavy options as typical for doubles, more for North America, lever action cartridges, and standard short action/long action options also.
Buy a can of Bear Spray - you're about half as likely to get hurt.
https://above.nasa.gov/safety/documents/Bear/bearspray_vs_bullets.pdf
" U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality -- based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries"
Guess it's less exciting though.....
https://above.nasa.gov/safety/documents/Bear/bearspray_vs_bullets.pdf
" U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality -- based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries"
Guess it's less exciting though.....
i will take with a pinch of salt and look up killing by grizzlies and see how many time firearms were not involved ... draw your own conclusion ... it is called here bear seasoning for a reason ... a bear sprayed will come back and a bear already sprayed in the past will not be scared ...
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yes, Aimpoint, Trijicon, etc is the lowest bidder. lol
It doesn't have to be a zero sum situation. Guns, flares, bear spray, air horns, bells. They're all just tools in the box and smart people select their tools by the situation they will be facing.
Notice on my ATC rig, while I legally carry a .454 Casull SRH i also have bear spray. It gives you options. Professionals like having options.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
It’s true. Shoot and wound a grizzly, and you’re kicking off a far worse set of events. Statistically, the guns we carry are likely a similar risk to us as the bears are. Average less than 1 bear fatality a year in BC since 1986, and 1/4 of Canada’s black bears and over half the grizzlies are here. But none of this is a popular opinion on a gun nut forum, nor does it mean I don’t like choosing my own solutions.
https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jwmg.342
Type of gun used has zero effect on whether you get hurt by the bear or not.
Science here is fascinating - it's just so counter intuitive.
The other leading study here seems to be this one:
https://wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.2193/2006-452
