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Bear defense shotgun
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Brutus
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^Folks, I find it best just to ignore him. Otherwise our true feelings will just transpire into several infractions and at least one of us in pink letters here.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
Good one.
I was gonna say " Tear open bag of pork rinds. Dump rinds out on ground in large pattern.
Whilst keeping an eye on bear, back away slowly till the bear goes
for the food. Then go back the way you came......quickly."
Of course, if I have no food to offer up to the bear, I can always salute the
bugger with this here Win. 1400 I redone. Full bore slugs dump bear good.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
This one is an early model (Serial # below 400,000) and these guns had a reputation for
breakages with extended shooting sessons like Trap & Skeet. The problem with the
design was that the bolt body was secured to a stamped metal carrier plate which also
formed the cocking handle as well as the firing pin retainer. This plate is held to the bolt
body by one ridiculously small, shouldered screw.
The firing pin was too heavy for this application and after so many shots were fired,
some guns would either shear the little screw, or the tab at the rear of the carrier plate would
bend back enough to allow the firing pin and spring to fly out of the bolt.
That's why you don't see these at trap and skeet shoots very often. For the occasional
bird or deer hunter, these guns worked fine but not for high volume shooting.
The later model 1400's and the Mark II's had some changes like a different carrier plate
and lighter firing pin to improve longevity.
My gun on the other hand, does not have that problem. Why?....Because I've made this one
into a manually operated bolt action by tapping the 2 gas ports in the barrel and screwing in
6-48 set screws using JB Weld for thread locker. I then swapped out the recoil spring for
a shortened Rem 870 mag tube spring. The bolt is much easier to pull back, but the new spring
still has enough strength to reliably chamber heavy slug & buckshot shells. This gun is light
and fast handling. I can empty it's 3 shots almost as fast as with a pump gun and the action
is free of gas fouling during use. So now I have a reliable, spring assisted, straight pull bolt
action shotgun with solid lockup, rotating bolt head to the barrel.
I brought back the barrel to 19 in. and lengthend the forcing cone to 1.5 in.
For sights, I installed Vang Comp steel ghost ring rear and tritium front units which work great
in the dark bush. I installed a Limb Saver pad and Tru Oiled the stocks to finish 'er up.
I love this bear thumper.
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- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
Gracias Amigo's!
I can't help tinkerin on stuff like guns ,trucks etc. etc.
Cheers
I can't help tinkerin on stuff like guns ,trucks etc. etc.
Cheers
It was a joke, sadly you missed it.
I hate to ask a serious question in a bear defense thread, but is there a suitable bear defense gun that weighs about 5 pounds, and isn't a single shot?
I would squander the weight savings on food, water and warmth, I know, but I would still like to hear suggestions.
I would squander the weight savings on food, water and warmth, I know, but I would still like to hear suggestions.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
A Rossi Ranch Hand jumps to mind, in .44 magnum or .45 Colt.
Yeah, this thread ain't serious, hell it's not even in the right section of the forum!
I prefer a shotgun with slugs and/or heavy buckshot for keeping bears at bay, a 3" slug round is extremely effective at close range.
I have no idea of the quality, or weight but those little grizzly pumps might fit the small and light requirement for a defense shotgun.
I have no idea of the quality, or weight but those little grizzly pumps might fit the small and light requirement for a defense shotgun.
Yes, I'd prefer a 3" slug. The Grizzly is heavy, I have a 12" Grizzly Mag over 7lb mag off. I'd like to know if there is a 5lb pump 12ga.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=172&category=8&toggle=&breadcrumbseries=
4.8 lb, 44 magnum stainless, 8+1. That's not bad. edit: there is a .454_Casull: http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=159&category=8&toggle=&breadcrumbseries= at 5lb, which is a bit hotter.
I appreciate all the suggestions!
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My Ithaca 37 weighs in at 6 1/2 lbs, I suppose if you fitted a sythenthetic stock ( don't know if anyone even makes one ) you might get the weight down. Touching off a 3" slug in a 5 lbs shotgun might have you wondering if it's not just better to fight it out with the bear.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
If gun weight is your paramount concern, a traditional lever action carbine has much going for it, and many a black bear has dropped to a .30/30. IMHO, if the species is bigger than a black bear, and your encounters with them are assured, then bigger is better. I kinda like .375s, .416s, and .458s, but a.30/06 loaded with a heavy bullet is a sensible lower limit. Top the rifle with a good ghost ring and post or a low power scope and you’re good to go, if you shoot it well and practice close range snap shooting under realistic conditions. When I want a light rifle to carry, I reach for my Brno ZG-47 in .30/06.
ipscgraz
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Get a look at a Ruger 77/44. Not much heavier and only a few ounces more than a 10/22.
Also available in 77/357.
My answer to a lightweight defense gun is a 45 Colt Mdl 94 Trapper with a 16" barrel. It's pretty small and light, but loaded with 300gr Hornady XTP's at 1600fps, it packs a pretty good punch. I used to carry a shotgun with 2 3/4" Brennekes (Prefer 2 3/4's to 3" as the 3" adds recoil while accomplishing little)
Finally decided that since bear guns rarely get used, it's better to just have one that is light and easy to carry than to have nothing at all. Although there are some places in BC that I wouldn't go without my NEW KING.
Finally decided that since bear guns rarely get used, it's better to just have one that is light and easy to carry than to have nothing at all. Although there are some places in BC that I wouldn't go without my NEW KING.
