bears/ pistol cals.
- Thread starter diesel64
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Thank you Boomer that was a very good reply and i gained alot of very good information from it. Thank you for sharing it with me.
As for you people who replied on the first page,, well I guess if you don't have any knowledge to give you reply with anwsers and comments as you have. Thanks again Boomer, I appreciate it.
As for you people who replied on the first page,, well I guess if you don't have any knowledge to give you reply with anwsers and comments as you have. Thanks again Boomer, I appreciate it.
Understand that this topic comes up a hundred times a month (among others). So pardon the cynicism. Boomer took far more time responding than anyone else probably would have, so I hope he has that saved on his copy/paste clip board for the next time it comes up.
Now, please don't ask about shooting in to space...and welcome to the boards. You should stick around. It is a good knowledge bank in the very least. Join the EE and drain your bank account. That is good, too.
Ah yeah, thanks but no thanks. I don't think i want to be on a board where i get ridiculed for asking a question. I'll find another board thank anyway but Boomer I do thank you.
As fast ford said, bear defense threads are kind of a joke as everybody tends to bring it up when they first join, it seems like their is one a month lol.
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
I was watching Alaska State Troopers on TV the other day and a guy shot a cow and calf moose that were kicking the sh*t out of his dog, with a Glock 20/10mm. Being Alaska, he probably had hi-cap magazines, but both moose were laying stone dead in his driveway by the house when the wardens showed up. No charges laid. 
I think that would work for blackies, if it ever becomes legal here.
The guys I know that dart potentially dangerous/large animals use M99 (Etorphine). Wicked stuff, one has to take great care when handling it.
I think that would work for blackies, if it ever becomes legal here.
The guys I know that dart potentially dangerous/large animals use M99 (Etorphine). Wicked stuff, one has to take great care when handling it.
I was watching Alaska State Troopers on TV the other day and a guy shot a cow and calf moose that were kicking the sh*t out of his dog, with a Glock 20/10mm. Being Alaska, he probably had hi-cap magazines, but both moose were laying stone dead in his driveway by the house when the wardens showed up. No charges laid.
I think that would work for blackies, if it ever becomes legal here.
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Well, let's go one step further. There are a lot of anti-gun people that come here and post loaded threads asking about illegal activities in a seemingly innocent matter only to turn around and use it against us in their attempts for greater restrictions on firearms in this country.
On top of that, the site is monitored by law enforcement and rumour has it that agencies have phished for people admitting to illegal activity.
So there is that as well. The way you named the glock, asking about carrying pistol outside of range trips etc. People can get defensive about that sort of thing sincee they have been burned before.
- Location
- North West of Superior
Hey diesel64, don't get discouraged first time out, most everything on this site is BS, i'll bet 1/2 the people that replied to this thread have never seen a real big black bear.
If you qualify, the wilderness carry course is available through GMK. The instructor is a good guy, he covers what is necessary to decide what to carry during the course and a whole lot more. Take the course anyhow, you dont have to go through the process of actually getting a permit, i never did, i just wanted to take the course. FWIW, Boomer did sum it up very well.
bobsonofbob
If you qualify, the wilderness carry course is available through GMK. The instructor is a good guy, he covers what is necessary to decide what to carry during the course and a whole lot more. Take the course anyhow, you dont have to go through the process of actually getting a permit, i never did, i just wanted to take the course. FWIW, Boomer did sum it up very well.
bobsonofbob
mooreorles
Member
- Location
- Okanagan Valley BC
The last guy I talked to with a wilderness carry permit told me he had to qualify with a 44 mag or larger. Not sure if there was a requirement to carry 44 or larger, but I would carry my 1911 .45 if I had a wilderness ATC
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I frankly would be concerned about the lack of penetration from a standard .45 auto; a 10mm would be a better choice IMHO if you did in fact get an ATC for a 1911. A 1911, .45 can be rebarreled for a .308 based high pressure .45 cartridge (.45 Super?) that will cycle through an unaltered .45 auto magazine, but requires a barrel with a supported chamber. Is it any better than a 10mm? I doubt it, as there is only so much you can do with that platform and that short a cartridge. As for minimum calibers, I have both a .357 and a 44 on my ATC, but that's not to say that other CFOs won't have different ideas.
Thin skin? The internet may not be for you.
I do crop damage claims in bear and cat country and carry a firearm when walking the more remote fields away from my truck. I carry a 6ft forage stick in one hand and a clipboard in the other as well as a pack with work essentials.
My choice is a slung 12ga Remington 870 20 inch barrel with 4 slug loads in the mag and 3 more in my pocket. No add on gee-haws like strap on flashlites, extended mags, etc. This is a light and handy piece which is quick and easy to use and is more controllable and effective than a handgun. No pi$$ing around with ATCs either.
My choice is a slung 12ga Remington 870 20 inch barrel with 4 slug loads in the mag and 3 more in my pocket. No add on gee-haws like strap on flashlites, extended mags, etc. This is a light and handy piece which is quick and easy to use and is more controllable and effective than a handgun. No pi$$ing around with ATCs either.
Bear Gun
ARMCO in Prince George, BC used to offer their .45/08 built on a 1911. If you weren't a customer, they wouldn't even't discuss the loading with you.
Anyone who is involved in a time/stress shooting sport (IPSC/IDPA/CAS) will tell you that one's ability with a handgun outweighs armchair theory and paper ballistics.
I've been face to face with black bears several times, firing two rounds with a .45 Colt revolver (250 gr RNFP/7.5 Unique) over the head of one looking down on me from my own porch. The bear was at arms length away.
He all but ignored this, slowly ambling down the steps and I fired the remaining rounds into ground behind him as he walked away. Gun fire noise has no effect on most game, bears included.
I shot this bear later that day with a 45-70 at the behest of a neighbor who got tired of him terrorizing her horses and turkeys and chowing down in her compost.
I've taken two 400 lb+ black bears with a 50-70 Sharps and I'm hear to tell you that had these bears been in a belligerent mood and not at 100 yds, the bears might have won.
For the benefit of any agent of 'Big Brother' reading this, I live rurally where wandering bears and dogs are shot by ranchers and farmers all the time. I was cleaning my .45 Colt at the time and it was no trick to unlock and retrieve ammo to load it.
ARMCO in Prince George, BC used to offer their .45/08 built on a 1911. If you weren't a customer, they wouldn't even't discuss the loading with you.
Anyone who is involved in a time/stress shooting sport (IPSC/IDPA/CAS) will tell you that one's ability with a handgun outweighs armchair theory and paper ballistics.
I've been face to face with black bears several times, firing two rounds with a .45 Colt revolver (250 gr RNFP/7.5 Unique) over the head of one looking down on me from my own porch. The bear was at arms length away.
He all but ignored this, slowly ambling down the steps and I fired the remaining rounds into ground behind him as he walked away. Gun fire noise has no effect on most game, bears included.
I shot this bear later that day with a 45-70 at the behest of a neighbor who got tired of him terrorizing her horses and turkeys and chowing down in her compost.
I've taken two 400 lb+ black bears with a 50-70 Sharps and I'm hear to tell you that had these bears been in a belligerent mood and not at 100 yds, the bears might have won.
For the benefit of any agent of 'Big Brother' reading this, I live rurally where wandering bears and dogs are shot by ranchers and farmers all the time. I was cleaning my .45 Colt at the time and it was no trick to unlock and retrieve ammo to load it.
My choice of a pistol for bears would be a custom long slide Glock in 10mm. It will give you a balance of muzzle velocity, bullet weight, ammo capacity and aimablity. I have seen people shoot some of the heavy duty revolvers, unless you can work through the heavy recoil you are not going to hit anything with it. I know I would get a nasty flinch from those guns, which is why I would stick with 10mm.
Goodbye diesel64, we'll miss you. Don't feel bad, you're not the first person to ever post stupid questions here.
Hotwheels81
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- South of GP
I find a 200gr xtp at 1250fps out of my 10mm G20c makes impressive holes in objects both hard and thick... The 155gr XTP pushing 1400fps (1350-1380 typical) has explosive performance on water jugs and various other test materials... With a LWD non ported fully supported and slightly longer tube you might gain 10-15% but is it worth it to make "faster" .40cal holes in paper? Not in my eyes... A stock 10mm with good hand loads packs one hell of a punch.
I think here in Manitoba, the minimum Government carry gun is 44 mag in polar bear country up North..
Although, as someone said, a practical bear gun is a short-barreled 12 ga Remington 870 of Mossberg 500 with a long magazine full of Brenneke slugs. I live in black bear country, Riding Mountain National Park, my behind the kitchen door bear gun (when I am at home!) is a 9.3x57 Husqvarna, 270 gr bullets, as I do not own a pump shotgun.
Big, heavy slow bullet is the answer
Although, as someone said, a practical bear gun is a short-barreled 12 ga Remington 870 of Mossberg 500 with a long magazine full of Brenneke slugs. I live in black bear country, Riding Mountain National Park, my behind the kitchen door bear gun (when I am at home!) is a 9.3x57 Husqvarna, 270 gr bullets, as I do not own a pump shotgun.
Big, heavy slow bullet is the answer
