Before and after bullet

If you shoot enough game, you will recover bullets. As c-fbmi says, driving them faster means more of them will stay in.

However, most deer broadside will allow the bullet to exit unless you are using a Berger VLD [not recommended, BTW.]

See the displays attached.

Top group are mostly Partitions, with 2 or 3 bonded bullets included. Bottom group is all C&C types, with some looking pretty dismal as to retained weight. Some though, are quite impressive.





Regards, Dave.
 
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Dogleg said:
If a deer isn't going to bang-flop its sure nice to have an exit hole to help find it. This one did/has neither, and both are rather easy to achieve on a deer when using a SML that produces energy figures like some mid-sized magnums. Why have the worst of both worlds when you can have the best of both worlds?
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If SML means savage smokeless muzzleloader then yes the sure do. I shoot the 325gr hornady FTX with an orange mmp sabot and 67gr of H4198 at 2400fps. 4150ft/lbs ain't nothing to sneeze at.
 
powdergun said:
I know you fellas love to talk about bullet performance. The great debate of premium vs fragmenting, big bore vs super fast small bore and so on. Work BS has shut my shooting down for a while so for sh*ts and giggles how about a before and after bullet picture thread.

Here is my two cents worth.

Bullet: 45 cal XTP ( 240 gr )
Gun: Savage ML
Situation: Bullet inserted into deer at about 90 yards at a rate of about 2000 fps . Deer ran about 100 yards and found dead with liquified lungs.
Assessment: Bullet acted as designed but did not produce the much coveted bang flop.
Decision: Stick with the XTP or switch to a premium bullet ?



PS the before bullet is the 300 gr.
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Can we see another pic of the bullet? Maybe a couple of different angles?

I'm not a ML hunter but if you want dramatic bang flops you could try a shoulder shot.
 
kman300 said:
If SML means savage smokeless muzzleloader then yes the sure do. I shoot the 325gr hornady FTX with an orange mmp sabot and 67gr of H4198 at 2400fps. 4150ft/lbs ain't nothing to sneeze at.
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I was taking the 265 Barnes up to 2650 for awhile with H4198 and knurled bullets, but returned to "book loads" to get the recoil down for the kids. Somehow didn't get back to working on it because the animals were plenty dead. SML could stand for smokeless muzzleloader too, and leave room for the customs and aftermarket barrels.
 
This is the 270 gn 9.3 RBT Matrix bullet from my grizzly a couple weeks ago.............retained weight 258 gns washed and cleaned.........over 1" expanded........impact velocity over 3000 fps @ approx. 25-30 mtrs.





Now that's what I call bonded bullet performance !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Mauser GDog;10570504[B said:
]I take one look at that and all I can think is "ouch!"[/B]
There are so many cartridges/bullets out there I know nothing about.
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How so MGD, you talking about the firing the cartridge or receiving the bullet...........the bear did say something like OUCH............I personally never felt or heard the rifle go off, but then I never do when shooting game.
 
Is that a rebated boat tail design bullet? I'd like to try some of his 125 gr .257 " bullets in my 25/06. I have about a dozen or so but need more for testing. Looks like they work well
 
The XTP is a pistol bullet. It was used in early inlines because it was the right diameter inside a sabot and early inlines did not produces the high velocities of today's inlines. There are now far better options for dedicated muzzleloader bullets. I killed a ton of big critters with XTPs over the years but I can't really see the point of using them these days with so many better options available.

A lung shot rarely ends in a bang flop regardless of bullets. Bullets on bone or near cns result in bang flops.
 
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brybenn said:
Is that a rebated boat tail design bullet? I'd like to try some of his 125 gr .257 " bullets in my 25/06. I have about a dozen or so but need more for testing. Looks like they work well
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Yep BB 270 gn RBT...........he only lists a flatbase in the 125 gn 25 cal, the RBT may make it too long for optimum stability. Been looking at that one myself for a 25-06 I just picked up this summer..........it don't like 120 Parts, that's for sure.........
 
That's weird. I have some that weigh 125 gr that have the rebated base. I never found load data for them.
Once I finish my projects list ill order some. My gun loves the partitions like my truck loves premium but just as the truck gets regular my 25 gets interlocks. However I may need a new barrel soon. Approximately 1600-1700 rounds. Most being 75 gr Vmax.
 
.308 Win Barnes 150 gr. triple-X recovered while skinning my deer two years ago. 98% weight retention and no jacket fragments in the meat.

Only bullet recovered was mine :), it now sits in a frame with the kill picture in my man cave.

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sheephunter said:
The XTP is a pistol bullet. It was used in early inlines because it was the right diameter inside a sabot and early inlines did not produces the high velocities of today's inlines. There are now far better options for dedicated muzzleloader bullets. I killed a ton of big critters with XTPs over the years but I can't really see the point of using them these days with so many better options available.

A lung shot rarely ends in a bang flop regardless of bullets. Bullets on bone or near cns result in bang flops.
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Any recommendations of a bullet for a savage ml
 
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