Benelli M4 +1 mag extension

bearkilr said:
When a cop shoves 6 rounds into the tube of your M4, you can have a printout of this CGN topic handy. Good luck!
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LOL ... Anyone perpetuating information found on CGN to a Police Officer as fact is out of their mind. Providing LE bunk information found throughout these forums will get you into trouble more so than simply keeping your mouth shut.

All the facts I need are published in the Firearms Act by the Canada Gazette.

One shouldn't agree to anyone wanting to examine your firearms without your authority. Much less allow a Police Officer to insert anything in your shotgun.

Mind you, my demeanor when engaged with LE is a bit different than that expressed by some CGNrs like such (not you) who have their pocket knives confiscated for supposedly no good reason.

When we speak of social re-re-engineering, perhaps we should start by re-re-engineering our very own CGN membership by loosening the strap around the tinfoil hat.
 
easy said:
Sorry, but no. Magazine capacity is limited to five of the LONGEST shell the shotgun is manufactured for.
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F22_RaptoR said:
Cool, care to share where in the criminal code it states that? I took a look but couldn't see anything that differentiated lengths. Would love to get a +1 for my M4 BTW.
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F22_RaptoR said:
Only supposition though. gun is marked for 2-3/4" and 3" shells, not the 1-1/2" or 1-3/4". That's why the mossberg can get away with it and the benelli Can't, or else there would be a +1 extension for it looong time ago.

If I turn out to be wrong, I'll GLADLY eat my own words, maybe I'll even get my machinist to look into making a +1 for the Benelli M4 (only part I'm not sure about is the square thread pitch) But until then I'm erring on the side of caution, until I get that email back.
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3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,

(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun, ...
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3. (4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-2.html#h-4
 
blaxsun said:
I would love to get a copy of that, much appreciated - thanks. So the last word on this is that a +1 to hold 5x 3" shells is legal?
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I made a PDF of the emails with dates and names etc. that I will email you when I get home on Sunday night.

Bottom line, is that for the Benelli M4, as long as your magazine cannot hold 6 x 3" shells you are good to go. 5.9 rounds is A-OK. More specifically you are legally allowed to load as many smaller shells into that magazine as will fit.

I want to sort out a full size tube so that it is neatly and internally limited to 5.9 x 3" shells. I think this improves the look and that means no silly two piece design.
 
angryeyebrows said:
I made a PDF of the emails with dates and names etc. that I will email you when I get home on Sunday night.

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I want to sort out a full size tube so that it is neatly and internally limited to 5.9 x 3" shells. I think this improves the look and that means no silly two piece design.
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1. Upload it somewhere, so we can all save and print off a copy.

2. If you find/source/build it, they will come.
 
Lets take this up a notch. Since magazines for non semi-automatic firearms are not prohibited and have no restrictions on capacity, is it possible to fit a mossberg 500 or pump action magazine to a benelli m4? This would still be legal as the magazine was made for a non semi automatic firearm and there is no law which states that magazine can only be used in the the firearms they were designed for.
 
Gobc said:
Lets take this up a notch. Since magazines for non semi-automatic firearms are not prohibited and have no restrictions on capacity, is it possible to fit a mossberg 500 or pump action magazine to a benelli m4? This would still be legal as the magazine was made for a non semi automatic firearm and there is no law which states that magazine can only be used in the the firearms they were designed for.
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This has been mentioned off and on for a while now, so far no one has stepped up.

Easiest would obviously be 1100/11-87 and 870.

The question is, is there a difference between a magazine, and a magazine extension.
 
How doable is it? Are the mag tubes compatible? Any modifications required? No modifications to the magazine itself, otherwise your designing it for a semi auto firearm.
 
P90Puma said:
This has been mentioned off and on for a while now, so far no one has stepped up.

Easiest would obviously be 1100/11-87 and 870.

The question is, is there a difference between a magazine, and a magazine extension.
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It ALL depends on what the official capacity is listed as for the gun in question. For the Benelli M4 the RCMP have the capacity as 4+1 x 3" shells, so legally you are allowed to increase the magazine length to 5+1. That technical info is taken right from the FRT. For another type of shotgun, you would have to find out what they have listed as the official magazine capacity.
 
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angryeyebrows said:
It ALL depends on what the official capacity is listed as for the gun in question. For the Benelli M4 the RCMP have the capacity as 4+1 x 3" shells, so legally you are allowed to increase the magazine length to 5+1. That technical info is taken right from the FRT. For another type of shotgun, you would have to find out what they have listed as the official magazine capacity.
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No no no. That's not true at all. Go back and read the firearms act link that was posted earlier. The magazines capacity is determined by the type of gun it was determined for. If the gun is a semi automatic long gun, the maximum capacity is 5 rounds. If the gun is not a semi automatic, there is no limits on the capacity. There is no distinction made between shotguns and rifles.

I'm suggesting taking a magazine from a pump action shot gun, which isn't designed for a semi automatic and therefore does not have capacity limits, and attaching it to benelli M4. This would be legal. It is in the same spirit as using LAR15 pistol magainze in our semi auto rifles. There is no law that says magazine can only be used in the gun they're designed for, therefore this is legal.
 
Gobc said:
No no no. That's not true at all. Go back and read the firearms act link that was posted earlier. The magazines capacity is determined by the type of gun it was determined for. If the gun is a semi automatic long gun, the maximum capacity is 5 rounds. If the gun is not a semi automatic, there is no limits on the capacity. There is no distinction made between shotguns and rifles.

I'm suggesting taking a magazine from a pump action shot gun, which isn't designed for a semi automatic and therefore does not have capacity limits, and attaching it to benelli M4. This would be legal. It is in the same spirit as using LAR15 pistol magainze in our semi auto rifles. There is no law that says magazine can only be used in the gun they're designed for, therefore this is legal.
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Hey man, I fully understand what you are saying. Logically you would assume that it would be good to go. BUT after my very long conversation with one of the only four people that work in the section that make these technical rulings, a major factor involved in you getting your approval to do what you want is what THEY perceive as the legal capacity for that firearm.

Now, you and I know that a magazine designed for a pump action firearm would be unlimited, but the powers that be seem to place great emphasis on what the manufacturers specs say for that firearm. Despite what other examples are out there in the world, they can simply make an arbitrary decesion based on this information.

Ultimately, if they say no, you would need to fight it in court which equals $$$.
 
Gobc said:
I'm suggesting taking a magazine from a pump action shot gun, which isn't designed for a semi automatic and therefore does not have capacity limits, and attaching it to benelli M4. This would be legal. It is in the same spirit as using LAR15 pistol magainze in our semi auto rifles. There is no law that says magazine can only be used in the gun they're designed for, therefore this is legal.
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This is the big assumption and step no-one has taken.


What has been discussed previously in this thread is pretty standard, what you are proposing is something that has been talked about but mostly "hush-hush" as this is far more permanent then a LAR15 mag.
 
I have to admit, I"m not willing to take the step. I mean your risking have to legally defend yourself in court ($$$) just for 2 extra rounds. It would be cool to do.
 
The problem with the 11-87P and the 870P is that the 870P has a short factory magazine capacity without the use of an extension. Technically the extension could be considered as part of the magazine (like an extended floor plate on a pistol mag) but that would entirely be up to them.

Either way the entire magazine tube would need to be swapped out. Does anyone know if the base magazine tube is identical between the two models?
 
I printed a copy of this to keep with my Mossy 930 since I can load 6 2 3/4" shells in it or 5 3". I'm glad this is getting verified for people out there. I had a long debate about this at my range last week but some people even when faced with written verification still can not accept it.
 
An old thread I know but here is a suggestion. I intend to go with an extension and simply put a piece of dowling in the mag tube to limit the capacity to > than 6 x 3" shells but leave enough capacity for 6 x 2 3/4" shells. My old Model 12 just has a piece of dowel in the tube to limit it's capacity to two 2 3/4" shells. Should work.

Take Cafre

Bob
 
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