Ar180shooter
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Don't think so. Some people even think that a Mini 14 can out shoot a Swiss Arms.
Benelli MR1 vs. Swiss Arms
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Don't think so. Some people even think that a Mini 14 can out shoot a Swiss Arms.
Such accuracy comparisons are entertaining but thats about it. There are too many variables at work here on cgn regarding such comparisons to draw any accurate conclusions.
People here are using different power optics, some are using full benchrests, some are shooting off the mag, some are more skilled behind the trigger, certain people have developed loads that work really well in their individual rifles and the list goes on.
In order to perform any accurate testing both rifles would have to be tested at the same facility in the exact same circumstances, bolted into a machine rest and shot with all kinds of ammunition, both factory match and handloads from the same lot and the results tabulated to draw any solid conclusions. My best guess is they would both achieve 1/2 moa with certain loads and that is more than accurate enough for rifles of their type.
All we do here on cgn is share our individual experiences with our rifles and thats it.
For example last weekend I was hitting an 8" steel gong at 300 yards with every round I fired using factory AE ammo, an Acog, shooting from the prone resting on mag. What more do you want from a service type rifle?
I lucked out big time that my particular rifle performs that good with ammo that can be bought cheap by the thousands so I see no need to develop handloads for it. However this does not mean that the SA is the best rifle ever as I can do the same thing with any good AR15 and compatible ammo.
If someone gave me their Benelli with ammo it likes, I'm sure it would perform the same.
There is far too much emphasis on here about how some of these rifles shoot 1/2 moa form a benchrest with a 10X-15X-20X at 100 yards. So what!? That does not prove anything about hitting your targets or your skill as a marksman. What is far more important is what the guy behind the trigger can do at rifle distances (300-400 yds) from field positions using a combat optic/irons which is what these things were made for!!
Does my SA shoot 1/2 moa? I dont know and I dont care, its not a sniper rifle.
Bottom line if the rifle groups under 2" and wont hit stuff, the problem lies with the shooter
Tend to agree. If your sole requirement is that it is accurate with a single load at 100m off a bench, then maybe an MR1 could be seen as a competitor for the Swiss Arms.
Are they comparable in any other way? Not really, no, as is obvious to anyone not currently on a ####ton of LSD.
Don't think so. Some people even think that a Mini 14 can out shoot a Swiss Arms.
That's accurate. The Mini 14 is a high powered death dealer that only feeds cop killing bullets from a high capacity clip and can pierce armour at ranges up to 2 kilometers. It's also not hard to put a scope on it and turn it into a SNIPER RIFLE!
Just ask Wendy!
I, thus far have not had the pleasure of handing a Swiss Arms, but I have handled a Benelli MR1, and my first impressions have been good. My one gripe is the peg-like charging handle. I would rather have one like on the Swiss arms or Ruger Mini 14.
Compared to the mini 14 in terms of field stripping, the MR1s appear to be more complicated.
Compared to the mini 14 in terms of field stripping, the MR1s appear to be more complicated.
The MR1 is a nice little rifle. Being an almost non-black rifle it appeals to some who just want a 223 for plinking or dispatching predators, and its great for that. If you had two paper targets with holes in them I highly doubt even the experts could discern which one was shot with the SAN or the MR1. For those in the Market for an excellent semi 223 the MR1 is a great option.
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Don't think so. Some people even think that a Mini 14 can out shoot a Swiss Arms.
It seems to me those most heavily knocking the MR1 have most probably never actually put one through the paces. I own one, love it. Yes the stock could use some rethinking, but the rifle is built like a tank and is accurate as hell with factory Hornady. I think it's just easier for people to knock it rather than accept that maybe there is something to it's design. It would have been far simpler for Benelli to have been another "me too" AR copy cat like all the others out there. As far as loading it with useless toys, for the backyard commandos out there it will accept plenty with some planning.
Having used both the AR15 and the MR1, it is evident they reflect different build strategies and intended uses. The MR1 is clean, accurate and damn fun to shoot. The AR is a nice rifle (if it is a quality unit) but doesn't feel as solidly built as the MR1. While popular, it just seems a little antiquated. Just my take.
Having used both the AR15 and the MR1, it is evident they reflect different build strategies and intended uses. The MR1 is clean, accurate and damn fun to shoot. The AR is a nice rifle (if it is a quality unit) but doesn't feel as solidly built as the MR1. While popular, it just seems a little antiquated. Just my take.
I don't deny the MR1 is a fine little rifle, but it does NOT compare to a $3000 Swiss Arms rifle precision built in Switzerland. Anyone who has shot both would not argue they are in the same league.
The MR1 is also not comparable to the AR. One is a hunting rifle, another is a military service rifle proven in difficult combat conditions. There is a reason over a million AR15's have been built in the last 5 years and only a few thousand MR1's...
Not a Newbie, just new here.
Which was my point exactly. Different build strategies and purposes. The MR1 also doesn't run you $3000.00. I get the feeling everyone commenting on this topic either (1.) picks on the MR1 just because everyone else is and they don't want to be different, (2.) don't know what the hell they're talking about, (3.) just plain have more money than they know what to do with, (4.) AR15 man's 'em up a little more (backyard commando). Sorry, from what I've seen this is the case far too often.
I like the AR format as much as the next guy, but I don't need to join the club to feel better about what firearm I own. In the end, we're all on the same side of the fence.
Which was my point exactly. Different build strategies and purposes. The MR1 also doesn't run you $3000.00. I get the feeling everyone commenting on this topic either (1.) picks on the MR1 just because everyone else is and they don't want to be different, (2.) don't know what the hell they're talking about, (3.) just plain have more money than they know what to do with, (4.) AR15 man's 'em up a little more (backyard commando). Sorry, from what I've seen this is the case far too often.
I like the AR format as much as the next guy, but I don't need to join the club to feel better about what firearm I own. In the end, we're all on the same side of the fence.
The AR slays the MR1. For speed, ergonomics and yes even accuracy. You can get an AR to shoot sub .5 moa consistently. Stag even has a target version that offers a 1/2 moa guarantee. If the AR wasn't restricted I'd probably own a lot less firearms.
This quick review goes over a few of the issues with the MR1. What it doesn't mention is chin weld if you go to mount optics.
Now keep in mind if the price was sub $1000 I think it's safe to say most of us would overlook these flaws and probably get one. But not at the current price point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehOxsV6RBII&feature=related
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One man's opinion in the review. I own one, I don't need to listen to someone else's knocks. Not trying to be difficult here, but the MR1, as noted, is unrestricted. I don't need to sit at some indoor range on a nice day shooting 50 yds or less. The MR1 was never intended as a replacement for the AR and was not, unless I'm mistaken, advertised as such. It's just a fun gun. Yes, the layout could be better in some respects, but no rifle is perfect. And, yes, the chin weld sucks. I've learned to deal with it the same as others learn to deal with their own firearm's quirks.
That said, there are far too many guys buying ARs just to be tacticool and they have no understanding of them. Some of the fellas I've seen with them should have stayed with airsoft rather than pretend to be a Rambo.
That said, there are far too many guys buying ARs just to be tacticool and they have no understanding of them. Some of the fellas I've seen with them should have stayed with airsoft rather than pretend to be a Rambo.
winnipegger
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now you are just being judgemental and offensive, while personally i dont hang #### on my rifle (classic green) not even an optic, if people want to how do YOU know they aren't good shots or more or as knowledable as you are about firearms because they lego up their rifles. Don't get all butthurt because someone compared a plasticy hunting rifle (which you love unconditionally apparently) with a proper QC'd and researched military (semi only obviously) firearm that has so much more time money and engineering involved in it's development. Also saying the MR1 feels more solid than an AR (in the same price bracket) is a farce man, like please, LMT defenders don't feel as solid as your fully plastic riced out hunting rifle?
Against all odd the mr-1 will be up there with any other one you want to name, reliability and accuracy ( got groups as low as .175 with my best load ) wise it is consider a black sheep ,i dont know why, it is a hell of a rifle and NOT ONE single malfunction in over 5000 rounds... Cheers. JP.
winnipegger
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it is a black sheep in the military/tactical firearm world because it's a glorified hunting rifle, not a military or ground up tactical rifle. it falls in the same category as the su-16, rfb, (any kel-tec really) XCR and others fun, perhaps accurate and maybe even slightly reliable, but never something people would even consider using with a serious purpose in mind.
Hey guys, you know what else shoots 1 moa? My 98k in 7.62X51!!
And at 500 bucks its 1/3rd the price of the MR1 and 1/6th the price of the Swiss Arms!!
Its tactical as all hell too!! It takes legal 5 round stripper clips from Fallschirmjäger bandoliers and comes with a bajonett lug!!!
Yes sir the ol trusty Karabiner will never ever malfunction, even when full of mud on the Ostfront!!!
Therefore my banana beats both your apple and your orange!!!
And at 500 bucks its 1/3rd the price of the MR1 and 1/6th the price of the Swiss Arms
!!Its tactical as all hell too!! It takes legal 5 round stripper clips from Fallschirmjäger bandoliers and comes with a bajonett lug!!!
Yes sir the ol trusty Karabiner will never ever malfunction, even when full of mud on the Ostfront!!!
Therefore my banana beats both your apple and your orange!!!
now you are just being judgemental and offensive, while personally i dont hang s**t on my rifle (classic green) not even an optic, if people want to how do YOU know they aren't good shots or more or as knowledable as you are about firearms because they lego up their rifles. Don't get all butthurt because someone compared a plasticy hunting rifle (which you love unconditionally apparently) with a proper QC'd and researched military (semi only obviously) firearm that has so much more time money and engineering involved in it's development. Also saying the MR1 feels more solid than an AR (in the same price bracket) is a farce man, like please, LMT defenders don't feel as solid as your fully plastic riced out hunting rifle?
And you call me offensive? No further comments required as it seems the topic at hand was a setup. Perhaps the topic should have been called "if you have an MR1, you suck and we don't want to hear from you".
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I don't own either of these rifles, but would like to have both. I would probably already own the Benelli if it didn't seem difficult to mount optics for yote hunting.
