Benelli MR1 vs. Swiss Arms

[Hit 'r Miss]

I don't own either of these rifles, but would like to have both. I would probably already own the Benelli if it didn't seem difficult to mount optics for yote hunting.

Agreed, the MR1 is a bugger to mount a scope on and at the same time obtain a proper cheekweld, but I'm using an Aimpoint T1 with ADM QR high mount. This configuration seems to work well and the cheekweld doesn't present a problem.

FWIW, using a reversed ADM Recon H QR mount with a scope actually works pretty well too. This requires removal of the rear site, which is no real problem.

 

[omegaboost]

just the looks alone is enough for me to take the swiss arms instead of the MR1.

 

[winnipegger]

just the looks alone is enough for me to take the swiss arms instead of the MR1.

hahahah

 

[wannabepl47]

now you are just being judgemental and offensive, while personally i dont hang s**t on my rifle (classic green) not even an optic, if people want to how do YOU know they aren't good shots or more or as knowledable as you are about firearms because they lego up their rifles. Don't get all butthurt because someone compared a plasticy hunting rifle (which you love unconditionally apparently) with a proper QC'd and researched military (semi only obviously) firearm that has so much more time money and engineering involved in it's development. Also saying the MR1 feels more solid than an AR (in the same price bracket) is a farce man, like please, LMT defenders don't feel as solid as your fully plastic riced out hunting rifle?

I don't get what people have to prove by putting guns like the MR1 or SU16 or hell even the XCR down? Is it perhaps that these guns actually are a good value for what you get and people feel the need to justify their $3000+ purchase by putting these products down?

Im pretty sure the Benelli is a reliable and accurate gun.... I can order it from f**king Cabella's and have on my door step in a couple days unlike the products often touted by those that hate on it. Sure the ergonomics arnt meant for a war zone, we get it.

 

[geologist]

I have an MR-1. I like it. It takes 10 round mags, it's non-restricted, what's not to like?

I don't think that is is the equal of a SA but then again it's half the price.

It's not a "go fast" rifle like my AR but then again it's legal in my truck when I'm out in the bush.

 

[Ar180shooter]

I have an MR-1. I like it. It takes 10 round mags, it's non-restricted, what's not to like?

I don't think that is is the equal of a SA but then again it's half the price.

It's not a "go fast" rifle like my AR but then again it's legal in my truck when I'm out in the bush.

Yup, it has its place. If you think of it as a competitor of rifles like the Mini-14, it does the job quite nicely.

 

[geologist]

It also doesn't jam and the chamber stays very clean after you shoot it.

The bolt release location sucks, and the rail is too short and the optional rail is stupidly expensive.

 

[Tikka223]

This thread is already on page 5 and no one has come up with any actual numbers or pictures. Jump over to the precision forum and there be all kinds of pics of targets with 5 rounds through one hole or ringing gongs at 1000m. I would actually like to see some best of the best AR-style groups and loads from factory or near factory AR-style rifles vs. Swiss Arms vs. Benelli etc. It's nice to know that when you pull the trigger the bullet can hit exactly where you are aiming and not +/- 1-3 inches.

I just bought an MR1 a couple of weeks ago and took it to the range today with some initial hand loads. Using a 1-4x Millet scope didn't get me the greatest accuracy at 100m but I do like it. Next time I'm out I'm going to slap on my Sightron 6-24 and see what it is capable of.

And I should note, just to say that I'm not biased about this, the only reason I don't own an AR-style rifle is because I purposely have not gone out to get my restricted license. Why? I spend enough on guns as it is, if I get an R-PAL it'll be an excuse to spend a lot more money ... the precise reason why I don't own an Classic Green or Black, 3000$ is a lot.

 

[misanthropist]

This thread is already on page 5 and no one has come up with any actual numbers or pictures. Jump over to the precision forum and there be all kinds of pics of targets with 5 rounds through one hole or ringing gongs at 1000m. I would actually like to see some best of the best AR-style groups and loads from factory or near factory AR-style rifles vs. Swiss Arms vs. Benelli etc. It's nice to know that when you pull the trigger the bullet can hit exactly where you are aiming and not +/- 1-3 inches.

That is because precision rifles really only have one variable to measure: precision.

The MR1 may well be as accurate as the SIG so if that is your only criteria, then they might be equal.

But the durability and reliability of the MR1 in no way approaches that of the SIG.

This thread is a bit like asking, "what is a better model of a bird, a paper crane, or a statue made out of bronze?"

Well, if the requirement is just that it has to be an artistic representation of a bird, they're equal. If the requirement is that it be lightweight and cheap, the paper crane wins. If the requirement is that it last a thousand years, the bronze statue wins.

It's just a meaningless question. The SIG is a better rifle in terms of most qualities black rifle enthusiasts value, but not many people who are really after a Classic Green are going out and buying MR1s as an alternative. They are two different guns, aimed at two different demographics. If an MR1 fits your needs, knock yourself out.

But obviously don't pretend that either one would be equally suited to surviving mogadishu with.

 

[J996]

This thread is already on page 5 and no one has come up with any actual numbers or pictures. Jump over to the precision forum and there be all kinds of pics of targets with 5 rounds through one hole or ringing gongs at 1000m. I would actually like to see some best of the best AR-style groups and loads from factory or near factory AR-style rifles vs. Swiss Arms vs. Benelli etc. It's nice to know that when you pull the trigger the bullet can hit exactly where you are aiming and not +/- 1-3 inches.

Well here's an 8" gong at 300 yards. 5 out of 5 from four mags. That's 20 rounds in a row that went "ding" with factory American Eagle .55 grain.

The red was hard to pick up in the woods with the acog therefore the tape around the edge. Next time out I will spray paint it white and shoot at 350 yards.

As I said earlier if that's not accuracy enough from one of these types of rifles, you need a bolt gun.

I can do the same thing with a decent AR15 and if someone were to loan me an MR1 I'd give it a go.

 

[Hit 'r Miss]

That is because precision rifles really only have one variable to measure: precision.

The MR1 may well be as accurate as the SIG so if that is your only criteria, then they might be equal.

But the durability and reliability of the MR1 in no way approaches that of the SIG.

This thread is a bit like asking, "what is a better model of a bird, a paper crane, or a statue made out of bronze?"

Well, if the requirement is just that it has to be an artistic representation of a bird, they're equal. If the requirement is that it be lightweight and cheap, the paper crane wins. If the requirement is that it last a thousand years, the bronze statue wins.

It's just a meaningless question. The SIG is a better rifle in terms of most qualities black rifle enthusiasts value, but not many people who are really after a Classic Green are going out and buying MR1s as an alternative. They are two different guns, aimed at two different demographics. If an MR1 fits your needs, knock yourself out.

But obviously don't pretend that either one would be equally suited to surviving mogadishu with.

I think you probably just nailed it.

 

[Ar180shooter]

And I should note, just to say that I'm not biased about this, the only reason I don't own an AR-style rifle is because I purposely have not gone out to get my restricted license. Why? I spend enough on guns as it is, if I get an R-PAL it'll be an excuse to spend a lot more money ... the precise reason why I don't own an Classic Green or Black, 3000$ is a lot.

Not really...

People spend $30,000 on a car, only to have it be worth $5000 5 years later. If you spend 3k and get a lightly used Classic Green off the EE, in 5 years you'll still be able to sell it for around $3000. Plus, you get to own what is arguably the finest military small arm ever made.

 

[Hit 'r Miss]

It seems this thread has gone off the rails. Bashing each other proves nothing and in the end we have what we have. Nobody is the better or worse with what they have, and with that have a great Christmas and New Year. We're not at war and if it's all about having fun, everyone's a winner.

 

[caramel]

Having 2 Benelli MR-1 the 3000.00 is already spent, i just like them, their accuracy and reliability are among the best in my book... Cheers. JP.

 

[zxcvbn]

But obviously don't pretend that either one would be equally suited to surviving mogadishu with.

I think you probably just nailed it.

Sheesh no wonder the Rangers got their buts kicked, they were using Sigs! If only they'd had Benelli's! Thanks for that insight!

Just having fun guys, Merry Christmas all you Nutters

 

[AlexF]

If I had more money I would be shooting a Swiss Arms Green Rifle.
If I had less money I would be shooting a Benelli MR1.

If I had infinite amount of money, I would have rack full of guns like in The Matrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y70vcs3oV14http://

Alex

 

[eigenvector]

Hey guys, you know what else shoots 1 moa? My 98k in 7.62X51!!
And at 500 bucks its 1/3rd the price of the MR1 and 1/6th the price of the Swiss Arms!!

Its tactical as all hell too!! It takes legal 5 round stripper clips from Fallschirmjäger bandoliers and comes with a bajonett lug!!!
Yes sir the ol trusty Karabiner will never ever malfunction, even when full of mud on the Ostfront!!!

Therefore my banana beats both your apple and your orange!!!

You can also beat people to death with it when you run out of ammo.

 

[scott_r]

It seems this thread has gone off the rails. Bashing each other proves nothing and in the end we have what we have. Nobody is the better or worse with what they have, and with that have a great Christmas and New Year. We're not at war and if it's all about having fun, everyone's a winner.

The black rifle sub forum is full of it. Its a big #### measuring page. The more you spend the cooler you are.. I like it though, very entertaining.



Cheers!!

 

[Epoxy7]

It seems this thread has gone off the rails. Bashing each other proves nothing and in the end we have what we have. Nobody is the better or worse with what they have, and with that have a great Christmas and New Year. We're not at war and if it's all about having fun, everyone's a winner.

Not really. The MR1 isn't the rifle the Swiss Arms rifle is. There are a number of people on here posting who own numerous black rifles. If the MR1 didn't have the flaws it has or if the price were a lot lower then it would be added to the collection. Most who own the expensive ones also own the less expensive ones.

The Swiss Arms isn't perfect either and it's expensive. But it's flaws are minor and while not liking the price at least it does most things right.

If the MR1 had decent ergonomics including a flat top and stock that made mounting optics reasonable then the rifle would be a best seller. They dropped the ball on this one. The few flaws of the storm are present plus a ton more. Whoever designed the MR1 should be fired.

Is it reliable? Most likely. Is it accurate? Most reviews have it at 1.5 to 2 moa with factory ammo including match. But some posts here have shown much better with hand loads. With handloads most of the semi autos today seem 3/4 moa capable with the odd exceptional groups.

Frankly do to the numerous flaws I conside the MR1 a bad buy. If half the flaws were addressed then it would well be worth it and most of us here would already own one. The MR1 at present competes with the mini14. If they were the same price then Id go for one. Even if a few hundred more. But $1500 to $1700 is about $500 too much. $1500 to $1700 is a pretty Big chunk of cash towards a Tavor, Swiss arms etc. Or at the other end a mini14 target fir 1k, Cz858 for $700 etc.

Bottom line. Decent ergonomics and they would have had a winner. It actually ticks me off they screwed up this firearm. I really wanted one.

 

[Hit 'r Miss]

Not really. The MR1 isn't the rifle the Swiss Arms rifle is. There are a number of people on here posting who own numerous black rifles. If the MR1 didn't have the flaws it has or if the price were a lot lower then it would be added to the collection. Most who own the expensive ones also own the less expensive ones.

The Swiss Arms isn't perfect either and it's expensive. But it's flaws are minor and while not liking the price at least it does most things right.

If the MR1 had decent ergonomics including a flat top and stock that made mounting optics reasonable then the rifle would be a best seller. They dropped the ball on this one. The few flaws of the storm are present plus a ton more. Whoever designed the MR1 should be fired.

Is it reliable? Most likely. Is it accurate? Most reviews have it at 1.5 to 2 moa with factory ammo including match. But some posts here have shown much better with hand loads. With handloads most of the semi autos today seem 3/4 moa capable with the odd exceptional groups.

Frankly do to the numerous flaws I conside the MR1 a bad buy. If half the flaws were addressed then it would well be worth it and most of us here would already own one. The MR1 at present competes with the mini14. If they were the same price then Id go for one. Even if a few hundred more. But $1500 to $1700 is about $500 too much. $1500 to $1700 is a pretty Big chunk of cash towards a Tavor, Swiss arms etc. Or at the other end a mini14 target fir 1k, Cz858 for $700 etc.

Bottom line. Decent ergonomics and they would have had a winner. It actually ticks me off they screwed up this firearm. I really wanted one.

Agreed, the MR1 has flaws. But the SA locally sells for $3600.00 + change. I guess if you've got that kind of coin, terrific. I don't and i"m guessing a lot of the others on this board don't either. They're in two different ball parks playing slightly different games. Enjoy your SA, I only wish I could.