Beretta introduces the M9A3, successor to the M9

It looks the same as a 92a1, which is good because I had visions of an ugly polymer monstrosity when I read the title of this thread. Improved materials, improved wrap-around grips, and removable sights are nice upgrades, but it sounds like a lot of fanfare for some pretty basic and overdue changes that do not deserve a new model designation. Why not just put the same materials and options in all 92a1s and keep calling it an improved 92a1?
 
TDC said:
Let's look at this logically.

The vast majority of pistols are offered with(or were offered with) mag releases on the left side of the gun. This works well for both right and left handed users. Now seeing as many of the current pistols in the world cannot have their mag release reversed, and nearly all left handed shooters have become accustomed to the left side release, there's no logical reason to want or need a reversible release.

Most people are right handed to begin with which also makes a reversible release an academic exercise.

What beretta is offering here is nothing new and nothing that hasn't been available for at least 2 decades. Its still a heavy oversized overly conplex dated da/sa action with a poorly placed safety/decocker.

Tdc
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TDC some of us right handed shooters find it faster to reverse the mag release and use our trigger finger instead of our strong side thumb to hit the mag release. That is the logical reason to switch it. Once you try it you won't go back to the left side release. JMB put the mag release on the left side on the 1911 (he was left handed) and the mag release has been there ever since. If you are blessed with long thumbs then the advantage for a right handed shooter to reverse the mag release is lessened.

Take Care

Bob
 
Hitzy said:
Tell that to the various police officers that shot or killed other officers during "dry fire" exercises...

Here is one local example:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/calgary-police-to-testify-at-shooting-inquiry-1.347026
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They broke the four rules... my point still stands. If you want to do force-on-force training, use a paintball gun. When I say "dry fire," I mean working the trigger in a safe manner that doesn't involve pointing a gun at anyone. Don't try to compare apples to oranges.
 
WRH said:
And almost everyone recommends dry fire practice. What the hell is the difference? If you are too stupid to unload your gun before field stripping it, sell all your guns and buy Nerf.
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WRH said:
They broke the four rules... my point still stands. If you want to do force-on-force training, use a paintball gun. When I say "dry fire," I mean working the trigger in a safe manner that doesn't involve pointing a gun at anyone. Don't try to compare apples to oranges.
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Regardless of how silly you may think it is, it's a requirement if it is ever going to be considered for US forces issue... Canadian forces have the same requirement for their new pistol if they ever get around to adopting one...no pulling the trigger required to disassemble.
 
WRH said:
And almost everyone recommends dry fire practice. What the hell is the difference? If you are too stupid to unload your gun before field stripping it, sell all your guns and buy Nerf.
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With all do respect what you are saying obviously doesn't work. Accidental deaths like this occur because something went wrong not when something goes right. Obviously, by following your method it doesn't work because it is subject to a human failing, we are all not perfect.

If you must practice force on force then the use of simunition avoids the issue completely. If you are going to use "unloaded" guns for force on force then you need protocols to ensure guns reaching the range are unloaded. In the Calgary case a protocol insisting that every time a participant left the range for any reason he/she would have to advise he/she were leaving and upon return have his/her firearm would be checked to ensure it was indeed unloaded. Not 100% fool proof but an added layer of safety. Such protocols usually are put in place after a tragedy. Seldom before.

BTW it isn't a case of just "being stupid".

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
TDC some of us right handed shooters find it faster to reverse the mag release and use our trigger finger instead of our strong side thumb to hit the mag release. That is the logical reason to switch it. Once you try it you won't go back to the left side release. JMB put the mag release on the left side on the 1911 (he was left handed) and the mag release has been there ever since. If you are blessed with long thumbs then the advantage for a right handed shooter to reverse the mag release is lessened.

Take Care

Bob
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I don't disagree that one can activate the release via their index finger or that it may even be a more positive force. The logic is that until recently all of us have been using guns with left side releases. Relearning on a right side release is unnecessary and not the norm as most guns will still be left release.

I personally don't use my thumb to release the magazine. Glocks are designed to be "inaccessible" with the shooting hand abd I have short digits. I prefer to use the thumb of my support hand as its more positive and places my left hand in position to sweep the mag well to ensure the mag dropped free.

Reversible mag releases are as useful as "second strike" capability on a pistol. They're marketing gimmicks.

Tdc
 
yohann160 said:
Teddy, I can't agree with you on that one.

To actuate a left-sided magazine catch I mostly have to break my grip. Even on a thin frame like a 1911. That is a disadvantage. Translate over to a double stacked pistol, like our issued Hi-Powers and the problem magnifies. Taking the Hi-Power as an example again, most often the only way for me to actuate the derpy and tiny thumb safety on the thing quickly is with my right hand.

I am satisfied that in 2014, even Beretta has come to terms with the fact that some people are not right handed. Given that reality, I think the logical approach is to at least give lefties the option.

Of course, instead of modding their M9s they should be buying M&P's but that's a whole other argument.
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Lol reversible mag release? Just make it simple. Go HK paddle release :)
 
I wonder if the extended mag release gets in the way or not? I typically use my off hand, but doesn't work that well for competition. Two things that I may like on this are the upgraded stock sights and a thinner grip. I don't think I like the wrap around polymer grips though. I guess time will tell, signed up @beretta for notification when these are available.
 
TDC said:
Reversible mag releases are as useful as "second strike" capability on a pistol. They're marketing gimmicks.

Tdc
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You are very quick to dismiss as irrelevant anything that you do not personally value.

A manufacturer accommodates a broader spectrum of users and their preferences and it's a "gimmick"?

Guess we better all cram into that single standard deviation from the mean and conform to the one true Art of the Pistol, as declaimed by our resident master blaster.

Psst - the 80's just called: plastic is for grips. Guns that aren't metal, frame and action, are marketing gimmicks ;P
 
Mark-II said:
You are very quick to dismiss as irrelevant anything that you do not personally value.

A manufacturer accommodates a broader spectrum of users and their preferences and it's a "gimmick"?

Guess we better all cram into that single standard deviation from the mean and conform to the one true Art of the Pistol, as declaimed by our resident master blaster.

Psst - the 80's just called: plastic is for grips. Guns that aren't metal, frame and action, are marketing gimmicks ;P
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Care to debate what I posted? You seem to take issue with me and fail to address what I post.

I dismiss what I see and know as bs marketing gimmicks based on what I know and what I've learned through my training. I'm all ears if you have something to add that I've missed.

Tdc
 
CV32 said:
Kinda fugly.

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They made this gun well over 10 years ago... different finish = next generation?

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In fact, looks like it's just a FS not a G (decock) model and without the brig slide. No thanks I think I'll keep my EIA.
 
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