Beretta M92FS or CZ 75B
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I own both pistols and they're both excellent firearms. However, I would have to give a slight edge to the Beretta as it has proved to be more reliable from a FTF and FTE point of view plus the quality of its manufacturing and reputation for reliability in adverse conditions exceeds that of CZ. In the end though, you can't go wrong with either pistol.
I have (and really like!) both so I'd like to think my opinion is fairly unbiased. Some very good points have been brought up, but also some very false accusations.
)I had to readjust the ammo; so now my Beretta is shooting 'cz ammo'. I will say tho that after the OAL adjustment I never had a feeding or ejection issue! Still if a case has a bur at the opening or somehow isn't perfect it won't chamber in the CZ, it will in a Beretta.
I've also seen a CZ shadow jam a few times during IPSC shoots usually it takes a while to clear because of the low slide profile and the tiny ejection port. 92 design is the easier to clear jams than any gun out there. The thing is they just don't want to jam! Only time I had problems is few years ago when I used a new powder and ended up with underloaded ammo that would FTE every 2-3 shots (slide wouldn't cycle all the way). After that day I started to appreciate the gun even more - you know how you have to rack the slide back and firth like a horny teenager when a gun with a traditional ejection port jams and the case can bounce around like a ball in a pin ball machine for a few seconds than you remove the mag and work the slide some more, than finally the case falls out, I had that with a number of guns. Well with a 92 you simply pull the slide back and tilt the gun to the side a little, the case has nothing left to do but to drop!
Finish; I have a polished stainless 75B which costs a bit more than a regular 75B or a Shadow. I have to say it's worth it tho! I never liked CZ's before I saw my gun. They just don't seem that refined, definitely not in the same class when it comes to fit and finish as a Beretta 92!
Trigger: 92FS with a D spring will have a lighter trigger than a stock Shadow. 75B with a #13 spring is lighter than a 92 with a D spring. I haven't tried a competition spring in the Beretta yet but it will make it even lighter.
Grip: CZ fits my hand better and I find it easier to be accurate with it, but I know 92 has a great potential and the grip while a little bigger is still fairly ergonomic.
Completely not true! in fact CZ is WAAAAY more picky about the ammo. Beretta will shot ammo CZ will choke on, My 92 has 10 times more rounds thru it than my CZ but I only got the 75 in November. I couldn't even shoot it first few range trips because my 'Beretta ammo' would jam up in the CZ (infamous OAL issue, if you reload for CZ you know about it
)I had to readjust the ammo; so now my Beretta is shooting 'cz ammo'. I will say tho that after the OAL adjustment I never had a feeding or ejection issue! Still if a case has a bur at the opening or somehow isn't perfect it won't chamber in the CZ, it will in a Beretta.I've also seen a CZ shadow jam a few times during IPSC shoots usually it takes a while to clear because of the low slide profile and the tiny ejection port. 92 design is the easier to clear jams than any gun out there. The thing is they just don't want to jam! Only time I had problems is few years ago when I used a new powder and ended up with underloaded ammo that would FTE every 2-3 shots (slide wouldn't cycle all the way). After that day I started to appreciate the gun even more - you know how you have to rack the slide back and firth like a horny teenager when a gun with a traditional ejection port jams and the case can bounce around like a ball in a pin ball machine for a few seconds than you remove the mag and work the slide some more, than finally the case falls out, I had that with a number of guns. Well with a 92 you simply pull the slide back and tilt the gun to the side a little, the case has nothing left to do but to drop!
Finish; I have a polished stainless 75B which costs a bit more than a regular 75B or a Shadow. I have to say it's worth it tho! I never liked CZ's before I saw my gun. They just don't seem that refined, definitely not in the same class when it comes to fit and finish as a Beretta 92!
Trigger: 92FS with a D spring will have a lighter trigger than a stock Shadow. 75B with a #13 spring is lighter than a 92 with a D spring. I haven't tried a competition spring in the Beretta yet but it will make it even lighter.
Grip: CZ fits my hand better and I find it easier to be accurate with it, but I know 92 has a great potential and the grip while a little bigger is still fairly ergonomic.
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Get right gun for right purpose for yourself.
For example, in sport shooting, people tinkle with their guns and it isn't just optional, it's pretty much a requirement to get the most out of it and make it more reliable. Glocks fail, SIGs fail, pretty much any gun can fail for one or another reason.
I don't know more or less serious shooters who didn't do anything to their guns at all.
Personally, I like CZs in 9mm and STI/SVI in .40 and .45, but that's just me and the guns would be used for sport.
If not used for sports, just plinking, get what you like and can.
As another example, a motorbike racer would have one bike for track (performance oriented) and ride something different on streets (more comfortable).
For example, in sport shooting, people tinkle with their guns and it isn't just optional, it's pretty much a requirement to get the most out of it and make it more reliable. Glocks fail, SIGs fail, pretty much any gun can fail for one or another reason.
I don't know more or less serious shooters who didn't do anything to their guns at all.
Personally, I like CZs in 9mm and STI/SVI in .40 and .45, but that's just me and the guns would be used for sport.
If not used for sports, just plinking, get what you like and can.
As another example, a motorbike racer would have one bike for track (performance oriented) and ride something different on streets (more comfortable).
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CZ 75, only because of my little girl hands! Both shoot well and are ###y, so...
i'd say BAD IDEA to buy without at least trying to hold one somewhere. from what i can recall - Beretta has big grip and is good for larger hands, CZ is slim and good for smaller hands. i've got big hands, and LOVE the beretta and dislike the CZ. given the choice, for the same price, i'd buy the Beretta without a doubt. but that's because - like others - i've shot both so i know how they compare even if at the most basic level.
if i'm gonna develop skills to shoot a skinny uncomfortable gun, i'll save a few bucks and buy a chinese CZ or chinese 1911 instead. no sense wasting money on something i KNOW is gonna be uncomfy anyways...
here's the thing, though - if you really MUST buy blind and those are the only two choices, maybe you ought to buy the CZ cuz worst case you can always make the grips thicker if you stick with it.
personally, i'd take the Beretta, though.
if i'm gonna develop skills to shoot a skinny uncomfortable gun, i'll save a few bucks and buy a chinese CZ or chinese 1911 instead. no sense wasting money on something i KNOW is gonna be uncomfy anyways...
here's the thing, though - if you really MUST buy blind and those are the only two choices, maybe you ought to buy the CZ cuz worst case you can always make the grips thicker if you stick with it.
personally, i'd take the Beretta, though.
I've owed several Beretta 92 series pistols over the years. My hands are on the larger side but I find the big Beretta doesn't fit me all that well. I've had a couple CZ 75's too and that would be my "go to" over the Beretta. However, since purchasing my BHP MkIII several years ago that is my double stack 9mm. I liked it so much I also got one in .40 S&W, too.
Buy the one that fits you best.
NAA.
Buy the one that fits you best.
NAA.
I have (and really like!) both so I'd like to think my opinion is fairly unbiased. Some very good points have been brought up, but also some very false accusations.
Completely not true! in fact CZ is WAAAAY more picky about the ammo. Beretta will shot ammo CZ will choke on, My 92 has 10 times more rounds thru it than my CZ but I only got the 75 in November. I couldn't even shoot it first few range trips because my 'Beretta ammo' would jam up in the CZ (infamous OAL issue, if you reload for CZ you know about it
I've also seen a CZ shadow jam a few times during IPSC shoots usually it takes a while to clear because of the low slide profile and the tiny ejection port. 92 design is the easier to clear jams than any gun out there. The thing is they just don't want to jam! Only time I had problems is few years ago when I used a new powder and ended up with underloaded ammo that would FTE every 2-3 shots (slide wouldn't cycle all the way). After that day I started to appreciate the gun even more - you know how you have to rack the slide back and firth like a horny teenager when a gun with a traditional ejection port jams and the case can bounce around like a ball in a pin ball machine for a few seconds than you remove the mag and work the slide some more, than finally the case falls out, I had that with a number of guns. Well with a 92 you simply pull the slide back and tilt the gun to the side a little, the case has nothing left to do but to drop!
Finish; I have a polished stainless 75B which costs a bit more than a regular 75B or a Shadow. I have to say it's worth it tho! I never liked CZ's before I saw my gun. They just don't seem that refined, definitely not in the same class when it comes to fit and finish as a Beretta 92!
Trigger: 92FS with a D spring will have a lighter trigger than a stock Shadow. 75B with a #13 spring is lighter than a 92 with a D spring. I haven't tried a competition spring in the Beretta yet but it will make it even lighter.
Grip: CZ fits my hand better and I find it easier to be accurate with it, but I know 92 has a great potential and the grip while a little bigger is still fairly ergonomic.
It would be nice if instead of saying completely not true you would say that your observation has been the opposite or something like that. I feel like I am being called a liar. I own a CZ and have not had any issues. While your experience may be "true" my experience is also true! More Berettas have jammed up than CZs from what I have witnessed. This hasn't just been a couple of times.
Just passing on my experience to the OP and letting you know there is no need to be calling me a liar!
because my wife and kid cant shoot if worth of damn lol. Tiny hands, where as my shadow they get 2" groups at 10-15 meters for some reason, same with the SIG.
so how come you're selling the Beretta and keeping your CZ?
cbabes, it wasn't my intention to call you a lair and I never said you made anything up. I personally put thousands of rounds thru my 92, both factory and reloads different bullets different OAL and it always worked. Do you reload for your CZ? how many rounds have you put thru it? Have you tried bullets loaded closer to max OAL (1.169") I have to keep mine at 1.100" for it to work. Again not calling you a lair, just saying CZ is not as open minded as Beretta when it comes to ammo. I still love mine and don't plan on selling it.
cbabes, it wasn't my intention to call you a lair and I never said you made anything up. I personally put thousands of rounds thru my 92, both factory and reloads different bullets different OAL and it always worked. Do you reload for your CZ? how many rounds have you put thru it? Have you tried bullets loaded closer to max OAL (1.169") I have to keep mine at 1.100" for it to work. Again not calling you a lair, just saying CZ is not as open minded as Beretta when it comes to ammo. I still love mine and don't plan on selling it.
No problem. Just sounded like it. I have been reloading with AIM 124gr and Titegroup and my average OAL is around 1.10.
Seems like others are also stating issues with reloads on CZs so I could very well be wrong.
Maybe my Bul Storm really is an "improved version" of the CZ. LOL I have fed thousands of rounds through it. Not as many rounds as my Glocks but still a lot.
Recently I lent it to a guy for an IDPA holster course. He used Wolf reloads and didn't have one issue. He also shot the tightest groups. When he bought his new Sig 226 and used some of the left over Wolf ammo it kept having issues until he gave it a good clean and lube job.
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I'd say the Beretta if I had to choose from those 2.
However I also prefer the Taurus PT92 over the Beretta due to the frame mounted safety & decocker and lower price as well.
(More $ left to feed the monster)
However it's a personal choice and as many others have said it is best to try them out and then pick what is best for your needs.
However I also prefer the Taurus PT92 over the Beretta due to the frame mounted safety & decocker and lower price as well.
(More $ left to feed the monster)
However it's a personal choice and as many others have said it is best to try them out and then pick what is best for your needs.
