Agree 100% Had zero problems with my 45 & 9mm. Nice fit and finish, very dependable...very hard steel, accurate, excellent price. The Yanks are drooling for these. We are so lucky we can get a good quality gun for this price.
best 45 for the money
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Well for being a new shooter...
A Norc is def a cheap gun...but shooting .45ACP is not cheap. I think your better off paying a bit more for the gun or shopping used and shooting a cheaper, easier to learn with caliber...such as .22LR or possibly 9mm.
A Norc is def a cheap gun...but shooting .45ACP is not cheap. I think your better off paying a bit more for the gun or shopping used and shooting a cheaper, easier to learn with caliber...such as .22LR or possibly 9mm.
Please show proof of this...read it ALL the time but never seen anything backing it up. They can get ANY 1911 we can and more (minus the Norc) and it cost them $100s less. They also dislike Chinese made things more then we do here and many of them want their guns to be American made.
I am 100% sure that the Americans would trade their SIGs and Kimbers costing them $1000s for our $350 Chinese guns...
I am sure others have mentioned it before but here goes again, any gun is the cheapest part of the equation over time when you factor in the cost of shooting it. So depending on your use case, here are few suggestions...
If you like the trigger of 1911 and just want a gun that works out of the box; look at STI USPSA/STI Trojan/STI Spartan/Remington R1 Enhanced/Ruger SR1911. As you move down the list, the more you may need to do them to get them just right depending on your tastes but those higher up the list come with features people usually add after the fact. For example, the USPSA is a forged frame, with tritop slide and checkered front strap and magwell. Compare this to the Spartan that is a nice gun but no forged frame etc. Reason I did not include the Kimber, Para or S&W options in here are because although they may have a cooler brand - I have seen none shot competitively. As with any 1911, remember the gun will NOT be 100% before you shoot anywhere from 1000-2000 rounds needed to break in a 1911.
Now for the Norinco, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with this gun. The major caveat though is, it is extremely rough out of the box, lapping and dehorning are the minimum work you must do on this before I would consider it ready for shooting. Sight cuts are also weird so beware if you ever want to switch them, grips suck and I would also replace the sear/trigger to make it smoother and achieve a sub 3lb pull. Factor in which of these you may want and how much it will cost you down the line vs picking up a gun now that has most if not all of your wants complete from the factory.
I dont shoot production much so my knowledge in terms of durability and reliability on options like Glock/HK are limited, however from my experience with my personal M&P, it has been extremely reliable as well as I prefer the ergonomics to the other options. Adittionally I havent seen any HKs shot competitively.
PS: I did shoot a Glock17 once in USPSA that was a borrowed gun from a friend (my form 6 at the time hadn't been processed to cross the border with my own rig) and out of 15 stages, I had issues in 10 with malfunctions. It is a nice guns but not designed to go as fast as the standard or classic counter parts IMHO.
Now the cost, a case of 45 is approx. 350-400 per depending on the deals at the time. Factor that into your annual cost for this gun. How much are your planning on shooting it, and will you be able to afford as much as you would like? Personally I go through this in 1 or 2 range trips so for me personally, unless you reload; 45 is a 'fun' caliber that I play with 2-3 times a year
Also consider, if you are going to use the weapon competitively, I would humbly suggest that you are looking at the wrong caliber, I started with 45 in IPSC and learned in a few months the cost of ammo and the speed that can be achieved with it makes this a few steps shy of public masturbation that is shooting revolvers in IPSC
I only read the first page so apologies if I repeated something someone already said in subsequent pages, also these are my personal opinions based on what I have observed; which may or may not apply to you depending on your use case and or style
Dunno about that but I recently fondled a new Sig1911 and found the slide just as gritty as a brand new Norinco. The trigger was pretty heavy too so the only difference in my mind between the two right now is nice grips and no need to dehorn a Sig
Dunno about that but I recently fondled a new Sig1911 and found the slide just as gritty as a brand new Norinco. The trigger was pretty heavy too so the only difference in my mind between the two right now is nice grips and no need to dehorn a Sig
Mine is perfect and cost $1024. Not the huge money that everyone thinks. Never seen a Sig and Norinco ever mentioned in the same sentence... until now. There are better bang/buck 1911's than Sigs, already mentioned in this thread.
I have to mention the Sig P220 again... if you find one used, pick it up. Fantastic pistol. Eats everything and asks for more. Bought mine for $839 new, German manufacture. It's on my "Do not sell list".
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I have owned and shot a Glock 17 for three years now. Thousands and thousands of rounds down the pipe. Never ever have I had any type of reliability problems. Never a failure to fire, never a failure to feed, never a failure to eject. A good simple reliable gun for any owner. Strips in seconds for cleaning and easy to work on.
The ergonomics of the gun make it a very nice shooter for me being left handed. Slide release and mag release are easily accessed with my left hand without any major change in position.
Having said that. My first .45 is a STI Spartan and I would never look back. Cheap, reliable accurate gun.
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Not much will change with firearm design over the next 100 years either unless someone develops a ray gun.
Barrel, trigger, magazine, firing pin, spring and BANG!!!!
HK makes really nice firearms but are quite expensive for someone just getting into it. Equal reliability and accuracy can be had for less money with other brands.
The changes I can see coming is lighter/stronger materials to make the gun out of as well as more compact and more powerful ammo. Pistol magazines holding 25+ rounds with bullets half the size but going 2x as fast and so on.
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Bought the same deal and the norcs fit and finish was very nice. I am more than pleased with the price, quality and performance.
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Oh boy I get to use an old hot rod term..........there's no replacement for displacement. Who wants to shoot a tiny projectile when you can shoot a hunk of lead.
This is why I own a S&W 500
Spartan I'd put in the best mid range value class. At $800 it is getting up there, but with all the features you want in a 1911, high quality STI guts with professional fit and fitting, there isn't anything else close to what you get for this price.
You might be surprised to learn Wilson Combat will customize a Norc but won.t waste their time on a Kimber. Norcs haven't been allowed into the US for years and do have a cult following in the US. The Norcs are inexpensive but not cheap. You are really dead wrong.
Incidently John from BC and I spent sometime with our shotguns at the range today. He had his Norinco copy of the Win Model 97 pump. What a beautiful shotgun. While his fastest time was accomplished using my Benelli M4 he was within a second using his Norinco pump. Care to guess how many Norcs he can buy for the cost of one M4....
Take Care
Bob
Incidently John from BC and I spent sometime with our shotguns at the range today. He had his Norinco copy of the Win Model 97 pump. What a beautiful shotgun. While his fastest time was accomplished using my Benelli M4 he was within a second using his Norinco pump. Care to guess how many Norcs he can buy for the cost of one M4....
Take Care
Bob
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Simple answer to your question is yes. Where can you get a 1911 that is accurate, reliable (with round head hardball ammo), built to original 1911 specs with forged quality steel frame and slide for $400? Best Norkie 1911 is the Sport, IMO, and get the two tone version if you can find it. If you like the Commander, Nork makes that too.
If you got $800 to spend, go with the Ruger SR1911. It has everything you (at least in my opinion) need in a 1911. Beavertail, Novak style rear sight, ring style hammer, stainless construction, nice trigger out of the box, flat mainspring housing.
