Best 9mm Ammo for Self defence?

Savage said:
Really urban Myth I have been told by many US firearms instructors that teach both the CCW Course's and handgun course and not IDPA oriented courses ethier and several US and Canadian law Enforcement officers as well if you want to have an interesting experience go ahead and use your hand loads in self defence .If it goes to trail the 1st statement regarding the ammunition used by the DA / Prosecutor is that the hand load bullets used were specifically loaded to kill another person and that you were looking for the right opportunity to use. Using commercially available hollow point handgun ammunition reduces the risk that other than a self defence was the primary is the reason that you were charged . Remember the Prosecutors are trying to nail you ass for this why give them more ammunition
BTW Mas next time use Spell check , I Corrected your spelling you dont have to thank me :welcome:
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If you just shot someone, I don't think there would be any doubt that your intentions were not ones of jovial greetings. Again, please cite a case where this has turned out bad for the individual. Regardless of what instructors, trainers, soldiers, or superheros have told you I know of zero cases where this "issue" was indeed a concern. Personally I would never run handloads for PD. The bad Karma associated with reloads and the burning rage that would haunt you knowing your life depended on your own handloads and they failed are enough for me to stick with factory.

TDC
 
What goes on in US courts and their concerns over their tort laws has little to do with Canada. In both countries, if it is a good shoot, you have nothing to worry about if not you get charged with murder and suffer the consequences. Our Criminal Code is quite specific as to what circimstances you can defend your life with lethal force and the law isn't much different stateside.

Savage your answer to Dragoon, is rather thin. Just name one case where reloaded ammunition even was discussed at trial, here or in the US. The fact that Harry of the Yukon or Bill from the State Patrol made such statements, while teaching the latest "Mall Warrior" course hardly answers the question.

Take Care

Bob
 
Savage said:
Really urban Myth!!! I have been told by many US firearms instructors that teach both the CCW Course's and handgun course and not IDPA oriented courses ethiereither and several US and Canadian law Enforcement officers as well that if you want to have an interesting experience go ahead and use your hand loads in self-defence .If it goes to trail trial the 1st statement regarding the ammunition used by the DA / Prosecutor is that the hand load handloaded bullets used were specifically loaded to kill another person and that you were looking for the right opportunity to use them. Using commercially available hollow point handgun ammunition reduces the risk that other than a (delete) self defence self-defence was the primary is the reason (generally all jacked up) that you were charged . Remember the Prosecutors are trying to nail you your ass for this, why give them more ammunition
BTW Mas, next time use Spell check , I Corrected corrected your spelling - you dont have to thank me :welcome:
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Dude - grammar is more than just "spelling". In the future, please use proper punctuation (the "." and "," keys are critical in this respect) prior to correcting someone else's prose.

Incidentally, since we're on the topic handload is one word, not two and "other than a self defence" should actually read "other than self-defence" as the conjugation and spelling are both wrong.


blake
 
Canuck44 said:
A flash back to my Grade 9 English class! :D I'll sit in the corner if your mom was Mrs. Young.

Take Care

Bob
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Nope - though my Mom was a schoolteacher she was Miss Lawrence...:D

As a result of majoring in English for my first year in university (I quickly came to my senses) I cannot tolerate the continued and on-going bastardization of the King's English (I know it's the Queen for now but there'll be a King again soon - trust me on this!!!).

In the word of our Lord from the Good Book (yes, "that" Good Book) "Don't worry about the sliver in you brother's eye until you have cast out the board from your own..." - OK, I paraphrased there a bit...;)


blake
 
no pistol round is effective, so shoot twice in centre of mass, if that doesnt work one in the head might do it.... otherwise use a 12 guage or a .45
 
DATAM said:
no pistol round is effective, so shoot twice in centre of mass, if that doesnt work one in the head might do it.... otherwise use a 12 guage or a .45
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You provide no evidence that a 12ga slug to the head will stop the threat. Please provide evidence before making these bold claims.
 
DATAM said:
no pistol round is effective, so shoot twice in centre of mass, if that doesnt work one in the head might do it.... otherwise use a 12 guage or a .45
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Wrong - No matter what you're shooting (HG, rifle, SGN), shoot them to the ground...

the head is a highly mobile target and usually fairly hard to hit, not to mention that it's the best protected area of all those that we may be shooting at...


blake
 
johnson said:
Well above all else you have to look at your city's demographic.

Somalians, Chinese, Filipinos, and skinny whites blacks etc would go down better with fast 115 grain hp's such as Silvertips/Frangible.
Get fast 115's for this demographic, as fast as you can.
Limited fat to deal with...some of these guys are so skinny that you can deal with them like Varmints. So I'd match this demographic to places such as Vancouver.

Big boys like the average man in Chicago (6'3), you may need 147 hp such as SXT's. Some of these guys are very big and or fat so you'll want a slower round with more penetration. So maybe if you live in rural Alberta, this would be a nice choice for you.

If you have a random demographic just use 124's-130's.

All depends where you live and where you go usually.
Right now I carry 147 grain SXT's because its all i can get that's premium.

If armour piercing is your thing you can drill out the centers of fast JHPs/Frangible that come apart on impact and insert tungsten dowels/ screws found on the internet. These will readily defeat low end vests. You need special permits to do that though.

Are you a bully victim or something?
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Never before have I ever seen the size or grain of a round used in comparison to ethnic origin and race. A new low has been reached on CGN, even sadder is the fact that CGN allows it to stay posted for over a month. :redface:Shame, we really do have some ignorant f**ks in Alberta:mad:, at least the ones in Ontario aren't gun nutz...:rolleyes:
 
MPI said:
Never before have I ever seen the size or grain of a round used in comparison to ethnic origin and race. A new low has been reached on CGN, even sadder is the fact that CGN allows it to stay posted for over a month. :redface:Shame, we really do have some ignorant f**ks in Alberta:mad:, at least the ones in Ontario aren't gun nutz...:rolleyes:
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I agree but he is more than likely a product from Ontario than Alberta .After all isn't Ontario leading the country in hate crimes didn't a Liberal MP say that they burn crosses in Hamilton weekly :D
 
Time for a review and a couple of reminders.

Practice, practice, practice.

Fast and accurate shot placement is paramount. If you are saving your own life, a 9mm in the forehead or cervical spine area is better than a .45 in the hip.

Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it.

A non HP may very well pass through the target and hit an innocent. A hollowpoint is designed to stay within the primary target, thereby avoiding expensive and time-consuming liability lawsuits.

In Canada, I would not want to use HP ammo in a home defense situation. Any Crown Attorney would salivate as soon as he found out about this. I'm not a lawyer, but this is my opinion.
 
johnson said:
Well above all else you have to look at your city's demographic.

Somalians, Chinese, Filipinos, and skinny whites blacks etc would go down better with fast 115 grain hp's such as Silvertips/Frangible.
Get fast 115's for this demographic, as fast as you can.
Limited fat to deal with...some of these guys are so skinny that you can deal with them like Varmints. So I'd match this demographic to places such as Vancouver.

Big boys like the average man in Chicago (6'3), you may need 147 hp such as SXT's. Some of these guys are very big and or fat so you'll want a slower round with more penetration. So maybe if you live in rural Alberta, this would be a nice choice for you.

If you have a random demographic just use 124's-130's.

All depends where you live and where you go usually.
Right now I carry 147 grain SXT's because its all i can get that's premium.

If armour piercing is your thing you can drill out the centers of fast JHPs/Frangible that come apart on impact and insert tungsten dowels/ screws found on the internet. These will readily defeat low end vests. You need special permits to do that though.

Are you a bully victim or something?
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Uh, okay....:rolleyes:
 
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