Best AR's in Canada?

Biloh said:
They would talk about them because they are amazing rifles supposedly....
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Here's one writing about them, http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/2/21/m16s-of-the-great-white-north/. A few things to take note of, not available for civilians in the USA, and selected by the Special Air Service (if that means nothing to you then why am I even "talking" to you). As for talking about them because they were good, you haven't spent much time in the States have you? "If it ain't American it's crap", if your getting information from an internet forum turn your BS detector up...if it's an American forum turn it up a bit more, esp. if it's regarding anything made outside the continental USA.

A little more...http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/30/canadian-c7-different-m16/
 
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redshooter said:
Here's one writing about them, http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/2/21/m16s-of-the-great-white-north/. A few things to take note of, not available for civilians in the USA, and selected by the Special Air Service (if that means nothing to you then why am I even "talking" to you). As for talking about them because they were good, you haven't spent much time in the States have you? "If it ain't American it's crap", if your getting information from an internet forum turn your BS detector up...if it's an American forum turn it up a bit more, esp. if it's regarding anything made outside the continental USA.

A little more...http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/30/canadian-c7-different-m16/
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For the third or 4th time. I didnt say CC made bad guns.. I said there are better guns. Not sure why you failing to understand that. There far better ar15's than a CC gun. NOw please stop trying to twist the meaning of my words. And by the way, you told me to turn my BS meter up when im using americans forums and internet etc then you post an american article about CC. Also the military chooses wpeaons based on many different factors and that doesnt mean they are the highest quality rifles you can get. In fact an Ar15 is far less reliable than a SCAR yet they chose ar15 for the military. Either way i am excited for the new MRR Colts coming in the summer
 
I liked the Wyndham Weaponry AR's, very good guns at an affordable price, I'm not one to load them up with all kinds of gizmos, just a scope and a bipod and its worked excellent.
 
Biloh said:
I didnt say CC made bad guns... There far better ar15's than a CC gun.
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I didn't say you did either, I understood you right from the start. It's the FAR BETTER part I have issue with, and that's what I understood you were getting at. Are there better, I guess that depends on what you mean by that, but it would be fair to say yes. Far better, not currently, and not likely in the future either, at least not in it's current form.

Your missing my point not the other way around. My point is you're dead wrong about ANY AR-15 Rifle being FAR better then a Colt Canada Rifle. You can believe what you want, just don't expect others not to respond when you make a statement like that quoted above. Also I'm not attacking you, just having a discussion.
 
Best ARs you can buy (in no particular order):

Colt Canada
Daniel Defense
ATRS (custom manufacturer)
Knight's Armament
Heckler and Koch (piston driven)
LMT
PWS (piston driven)
 
One of the principal people from KAC said on here that he would buy a CC rifle if he could. KAC originally sourced the CC cold hammer forged barrels. Once CC ran into issues being able to supply KAC, KAC went into producing their own. I forget the CGN handle of the fellow from KAC but he spoke VERY highly of them and suggested that they were well worth the price. That helped me decide to buy one.
 
J996 said:
Far too many people talk about AR's instead of actually shooting them. If you can't hit sh!t and clear ftf's and fte's in a timely fashion, KAC, HK and the Magpul triangle thingy are not going to help you. The end.
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This is the truth and J996 clear your darn inbox if you want me to reply to anything.
 
Biloh said:
If CC was that good more people would be buying them. All patriotism aside they are always in stock in every place because most people would rather other brands of AR's. That is what I think
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It's a question of price for some, you can get a NEA, Windham, etc. for less than the Diemaco and it didn't help things that when the SA20's and SA15's came out initially they were overpriced by the distributor. Prices have come down and unfortunately so has demand, coupled with the availability of cheaper imports or some domestics. For some people it's a matter of price. For me it was a matter of owning the best Canadian made rifle I could afford. Alberta Tactical Rifle makes a sweet AR15, but for more money than I wanted to spend. Colt Canada's SA20 had the features and build quality that I think is second to none, and I paid about $100 more than what it's going for in some gun stores. But as I've said earlier, I think it was money well spent on a CANADIAN made rifle. Spend you money wisely so that it comes back to you.
 
WinterHawk said:
It's a question of price for some, you can get a NEA, Windham, etc. for less than the Diemaco and it didn't help things that when the SA20's and SA15's came out initially they were overpriced by the distributor. Prices have come down and unfortunately so has demand, coupled with the availability of cheaper imports or some domestics. For some people it's a matter of price. For me it was a matter of owning the best Canadian made rifle I could afford. Alberta Tactical Rifle makes a sweet AR15, but for more money than I wanted to spend. Colt Canada's SA20 had the features and build quality that I think is second to none, and I paid about $100 more than what it's going for in some gun stores. But as I've said earlier, I think it was money well spent on a CANADIAN made rifle. Spend you money wisely so that it comes back to you.
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What about the best in reliability ?
 
Biloh said:
The Ar15 crowd here is minute compared to the ar15 crowd in the U.S. There are far more people who know about ar15's in the U.S than in Canada. If the CC were that great they would be talking about them as well. But they really dont. Ive been apart of a few forums in the U.S for a while now and have never heard them mention CC rifles. IF they were that good why arent they talked about there?
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The reason you don't hear about Colt Canada's rifles in the US, is because aside from those lowers that we're supplied to COLT US for Police builds, I don't believe Colt Canada is allowed to export to the US as these rifles would compete for sales in the US robbing the parent company of sales. For those in the US who do know of the quality and craftsmanship that goes into each and every Colt Canada rifle, they are jealous they can't get them. Do you want to know one of the complaints US gun owners have with American made Cots are? Pick up of Colt AR15 and shake it, it rattles. Pick up a Colt Canada Ar15 and shake it, it's as solid as a rock and as finely put together as a swiss watch.

They don't discuss our Canadian made Colt's because they can't get them, period. And until Diemaco put out the Anniversary editions SA20's and SA15's neither could Canadians. All of their rifles were strictly made for domestic government contracts and overseas sales. When Colt Canada finally allowed some rifles to be made and sold to the Canadian public, it was historic. With those rifles selling well, and the IUR uppers pretty much being sold out. They are on track to once again make available a military grade battle rifle to the public in the form of the MRR. I for one am hoping to pick up one once they become available, putting my SA20 away as it's just 1 of 500 ever made. I will continue to shoot it, but I hope to make my new rifle the one I will take to the range.

Just like the image says, they've been making rifles since 1976 and put out 500 SA20 & SA15's to the Canadian public as anniversary editions. Now how may AR15's get sold in Canada everyday? I'm betting more pistols, rifles and shotguns get sold here than AR15's. And how many people have the money to plunk down $1,800 for a rifle that can only be shot on a range or sit in a gun safe?

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silverfoxdj said:
What about the best in reliability ?
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It's well made and I've no issues shooting it at the range but I've only had mine since November getting my range membership in February. Couldn't bring it to the range before that. I've shot different makes of 556 and 223 in it, no issues at all. It's the same rifle issued to our troops, so if they can shoot thousands of rounds with them and from all the comments I've read, it's a good solid battle rifle, and like other's in this thread have commented on, Diemaco is providing AR15's to our NATO partners, I'd think it's reliable too.

Is it the best out there? Depends on what your measuring. Some have fluted barrels, machined out "excess" metal to make them a light as possible for competition shooting. Are some more accurate, probably. But for the combination of quality, durability, and craftsmanship, I think it's hard to beat at the price you can get one for now. Remember it's Canadian made, meeting and EXCEEDING most military specifications, Colt Canada's rifles are made to last because we just can't afford a to purchase a battle rifle that has to be replaced because it wears out easily. The barrel on an SA20 or IUR will LAST, that rifle is designed to function in the CANADIAN Artic flawlessly were other AR's will give up the ghost.

You may not see many at your local gun range because some people my buy an AR15 from the States because it has a good reputation south of the boarder, and it's well deserved. But because $1,800 is a lot of money, and I hadn't planned on buying more than 1 AR15, I chose the Colt Canada Diemaco SA20 because it was the best I could afford and I do love that maple leaf.

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redshooter said:
I didn't say you did either, I understood you right from the start. It's the FAR BETTER part I have issue with, and that's what I understood you were getting at. Are there better, I guess that depends on what you mean by that, but it would be fair to say yes. Far better, not currently, and not likely in the future either, at least not in it's current form.

Your missing my point not the other way around. My point is you're dead wrong about ANY AR-15 Rifle being FAR better then a Colt Canada Rifle. You can believe what you want, just don't expect others not to respond when you make a statement like that quoted above. Also I'm not attacking you, just having a discussion.
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Actually you are attacking me by saying these are the dumbest thing you ever read and ther is no point in talking to me etc etc. Then you are being hypocritical in your own comments. By your comment you are saying that CC is the best and then you saying that you guess there may be others that are better. What makes CC soo good? You seem to know alot about CC. Those articles and video you posted hardly said anything. Again, just becuase the military uses them doesn't make them amongst the top guns. Anyways its pointless to continue I guess. I will not be buying a c7 or c8 rifle and neither will most people.
 
WinterHawk said:
It's a question of price for some, you can get a NEA, Windham, etc. for less than the Diemaco and it didn't help things that when the SA20's and SA15's came out initially they were overpriced by the distributor. Prices have come down and unfortunately so has demand, coupled with the availability of cheaper imports or some domestics. For some people it's a matter of price. For me it was a matter of owning the best Canadian made rifle I could afford. Alberta Tactical Rifle makes a sweet AR15, but for more money than I wanted to spend. Colt Canada's SA20 had the features and build quality that I think is second to none, and I paid about $100 more than what it's going for in some gun stores. But as I've said earlier, I think it was money well spent on a CANADIAN made rifle. Spend you money wisely so that it comes back to you.
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So you admit that you that bought it becuase it was Canadian. That was part of my point though. IF you just read that guys replies to me you wouldnt know my point as it seems he is skewing what I am saying. CC is not amongst the best in the world but they are good rifles.
 
Magellann said:
You wouldn't think that there would be such a difference between an American and Canadian made gun by the same company.
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It's not the same company. The bankruptcy proceeding for Colt US have no impact on Colt Canada as Diemaco is an Canadian Defense Contractor and our only source for Canadian made AR15 rifles. The Canadian Government would take over Colt Canada to maintain a domestic supply.

As Colt Canada has a much lower production volume and doesn't rely on civilian customers, the build quality is so much higher. The requirements provided to Colt Canada for their AR15's exceed NATO and US specifications because we have to make every dollar go that much further. The barrels are cold hammer forged to make them both accurate and to last longer, they have to shoot reliably in both the Canadian artic and where every Canadian troops serve. And if you know much about the Canadian military, they just don't have the money or logistics support that the US Army does, so they can't afford to be swapping out parts as often.

And the rifles made by Colt Canada met and or exceed all US Government Military specifications as Colt Canada is the only company to have the complete official specifications from the US Government. Some company's may claim to be "Mil Spec" but really aren't because unless you have the specifications supplied by the Pentagon like COLT in the US, you're just guessing and building you rifle based on the Colt design or what ever specifications have been made public.
 
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Magellann said:
You wouldn't think that there would be such a difference between an American and Canadian made gun by the same company.
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Why? Colt USA, HK USA, SIG USA, FN USA are all chasing the bottom line and trying to undercut each other while going bankrupt. Colt Canada supplies the CF first and fishes for international sales where it suits them and Canada second (commercial market a very distant third).
 
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