Best bang for you buck .223 rifle

He said: "Ahoy my good man, all three of those firearms are undesireable. The Robinson Armament XCR might be a tad above the attractiveness of the other, but they will all in the end be unsatisfactory. The Beneli is an acceptable alternative but unfortunetly not up to the standard atractiveness of most black rifles.
 
Dirt McGirt said:
Yo money all three dem guns strait up wack . Maybe da xcr be a little better but they all junk dat gonna fall apart. Da binelli be aiight but it too uglyass to be a rifle yo
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OldFrankHog said:
He said: "Ahoy my good man, all three of those firearms are undesireable. The Robinson Armament XCR might be a tad above the attractiveness of the other, but they will all in the end be unsatisfactory. The Beneli is an acceptable alternative but unfortunetly not up to the standard atractiveness of most black rifles.
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Excellent translation, and I see you are from Quebec as well, which makes you a very multilingual individual. Bravo.
Or did you just find an app for this, and if so what is it called
 
I have 3 non-restricted .223's. A 581 series Mini-14, RA XCR-L & a Tikka T3 Lite.

Each has its merits but by far, the T3 Lite is the most accurate & practical use rifle of the 3. In the semi's, the Mini-14 is fun, reliable, relatively inexpensive & there is a wide range of add-ons. The XCR is a bit more accurate than the Mini-14, looks very cool, uses 10 round LAR mags but is very expensive for what it is. I think the Mini-14 is the best overall value if the criteria is semi-auto.
 
Sean17 said:
Woah, your optic must have cost more than the gun itself. Sounds like a really awesome setup. Looking back on it now, was it really worth it to go with such a high end optic? Also do you have any tips on how to choose the perfect AR? I know you mentioned the barrel but is there any certain manufacturers or features to look for? And clearly from all the questions I have I do not have the know-how to even attempt my own build. Maybe with my Ruger 10/22 but i'd like to keep this relatively stock with minor changes and a optic.
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If you're looking to keep it stock I would buy the Daniel Defense. DD and LMT as previously mentioned are fantastic rifles. Without customizing and staying within budget, either of these would be your way to go.

Having said that, A stock Norinco will put rounds downrange. They are reliable and with the new anodized finish its really not bad. Then we come back to the previous assessment; what is this rifles purpose?

You don't get a heavy barrel with the Norinco, nor will it be 20". Fit and finish are not as high quality and you WILL want to do SOME upgrading to a Norinco. To use a Norinco as a Battle rifle, running CQB drills etc. it more than fits the bill. For tight groups at 300m+ forget about it.

As for your question about the SpectreDR, it's worth every penny for the style of shooting/purpose I built my rifle for. There's no better battle optic as far as I'm concerned I've used hybrid EOTech set ups, tried an ACOG and I much prefer the Spectre to them all. Your glass should be at the VERY least, slightly better than the rifles capabilities. Anything less you will not get the full potential out of your rifle.
 
Yo Dirt knows what he's sayin`. He has loads o' experience from his hood an' frequent trips ta da bank. Dirt know wut bomb.. just like mammy.
 
Sean17 said:
Wow, where do you get access to all these rifles? And how was the norinco and what is the next cheapest ar? Still not sure whether I want to go to 1500$ or so, or keep it down around 800$
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I purchased a Norinco just for the h3ll of it, but my first AR was a MR223... I'm glad i did it that way because i figured the first purchase should be a go-to rifle that you know for certain will do it's job, and anything after that can be for fun... but thats just me... if you can afford the LMT or DD, that is where i would start..
 
best bang for your buck 223 NR semi eh?
mini14
csa 223

edge to the csa because you can run the adapter and use 10 rd pistol mags...
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Sean,

The DD is certainly a great choice. If you only go to the range, AR's are a good consideration. The fact is, I have little use for a restricted rifle. I do shoot at the range quite often but primarily take my handguns. I shoot my rifles more on private property and crown land so going with non-restricted offers that versatility. If I shoot a rifle at the range, I prefer a very accurate gun like my bolt action since tight groups is what I try to achieve when I'm at the range. Black rifles will never be as accurate as a good bolt gun. Just some food for thought. I can wander through the bush with any one of my rifles. I may get an AR soon but it wouldn't be my first .223. I would first get one that I can use anywhere and get the AR after I have everything else I want and a bit of extra money to blow.
 
Hey man, my first 223 was a Norinco AR with a 14.5' barrel. Having a non-restricted rifle doesn't really mean anything to me because I do all of my shooting at a range. The Nork allowed me to get a feel for shooting a Black Rifle and it is by far the best bang for your buck out there.

Keeping with the budget on my first rifle I had a Bushnell Red dot on it, the one that kinda looks like an ACOG. It was great and a lot of fun to shoot. I could empty five 10 round mags at 100m and keep every round well within a head sized target (about 3'). At 50m I could put a 10 round mag into a group the size of a toonie. I had two fail to eject stoppages after shooting a thousand rounds or so, split up to 5-6 range visits.

After a year or so I decided I wanted to try something else, I was able to quickly trade the Nork for a Glock 9mm pistol on the EE. I am now patiently waiting for those new Daniel Defense carbines to come in. But if you haven't shot or handled any other guns, you will love shooting the Norinco. The finish isn't as nice, and other rifles are a little more accurate, but why start at the top if you have nothing to compare it to? You can always buy the rifle, shoot it a few times, then trade or sell it on the EE. As long as you don't spend a lot of money customizing it, Norks hold their value reasonably well. Then when you upgrade to something nicer you'll have a frame of reference to compare.

Nork: http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.ph...type-cq-223-rem-restricted-free-shipping.html

Bushnell red dot: http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.php/optics/scopes/bushnell/bushnell-1x32-tactical.html

Just my 2 cents
 
Bolivar said:
I am totally the opposite. I nearly always have a restricted firearm with me at the range. My club range is 10 min from my house and Borden is 30 min. My geographic situation is pretty damn good for that. About 90-95% of my shooting now is done at a range, rather than in the bush/farm/crown land.

I can totally understand folks who don't have much range access or can't/won't join a club. It's not for everybody.

The best solution to part of the OPs question is to eliminate the restricted designation to all firearms, but we aren't there YET :p
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I agree with that to a point. 90% of my shooting is at the range too, but nothing beats taking the Swiss Arms out Coyote hunting.
 
If you plan on going with a restricted (for now) rifle, I would have to say that the Norinco really would be best bang for the buck. Most inexpensive, and although not up to the high end quality that say, a Noveske has, it's functional and accurate enough for playing on the range. Lots of members here have them, and good reviews abound.

I am not of the opinion that a Swiss Arms is best bang for the buck. I've never had one, although I would love to be a Swiss Arms owner. The price is prohibitively high for many prospective owners and that is why they go with a lesser firearm.
 
I'm amazed it took 50 posts to mention the CSA VZ58 in .223! For under $1000 and the ability to adapt to 10 round AR mags, can this rifle be beat for quality, looks, NR status and price?

matty86suk said:
best bang for your buck 223 NR semi eh?
mini14
csa 223

edge to the csa because you can run the adapter and use 10 rd pistol mags...
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