Best Bedside Defense Shotgun

Scamaniac said:
I've just heard too many stories of poor feeding with detachable mag feds to want to bet my life on one. In a panic the mag is jammed in, bending the feed lips and its nfg. A reliable old 870 with a short barrel and a surefire foregrip for light sounds best to me. Hypothetically speaking of course...
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Magfed's aren't that reliable. Tried a Grizzly that a buddy bought - piece o' junk. Tactical Imports brought in a model that is supposed to be reliable, but I have no experience with it. Pump shotguns are simple and have worked since the 1800's.

In a real safe you are allowed to have a restricted and a charged mag locked in proximity, that would be your best bet. Loading a tube fed 12G would be cumbersome in a real emergency.
 
"That Guy" answer: Shotgun is poorly suited for the task. If you are rushed or grappled, your shotgun is a stick. Pistol is far more versatile.

"Not That Guy" answer: Remington 870 for sheer reliability.

You are allowed in this country to shoot anyone you want. There is a process to follow once you have and specified consequences if you are not successful through that process.
 
BoogerChew said:
Hey MetalMike. Thanks for your input. I would prefer a magazine fed shotgun as it is easy and quick to load them. Feeding a tube with someone breaking into the house could be a little time consuming, especially when the adrenalin is going.
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Understandable, guess im just used to tubes haha.
 
MetalMike said:
Sorry for the questions and derail just curious,

All I got was this

section 40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority

Is this the right one or am I interpretting this incorrectly?
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I think you are technically correct, however, proving you are "justified" and your use of force (in this case shooting someone with a shotgun) is "necessary" as opposed to, say, tackling the intruder, using a baseball bat, a knife, etc., is going to be one hell of a long, uphill battle. You will likely lose your firearms license, and certainly be buried in a mountain of legal fees for years and years to come. While I don't agree with how it works, unfortunately that tends to be the norm here if Canada. But again, totally up to you to try to justify it to a court of law. Take a read up on the Ian Thompson case, if you aren't already familiar with it.
 
Tube fed 870 or 590 is your best bet. The real question is choice of ammo. Hearing you want a "large spread" makes me fear for your neighbours and other occupants in the home(if any), if you live in the country and alone its not such an issue. Even if justified in using deadly force you are not allowed to inadvertently endanger or hurt those who are not a threat, over penetration is a very real issue if you ever discharge a firearm within a home. If it were me I would load a "less lethal" rubber slug first, not for its "less lethal" name but because it will not put anyone one else in jeopardy.
 
Pistols have more strict storage laws. Non-restricted shotguns do not. Also, if you shoot a guy with a shotgun "a hunting gun" there would be less bad press and preconceived opinion than if you shot a guy with a handgun.
 
Tarrantula said:
I think you are technically correct, however, proving you are "justified" and your use of force (in this case shooting someone with a shotgun) is "necessary" as opposed to, say, tackling the intruder, using a baseball bat, a knife, etc., is going to be one hell of a long, uphill battle. You will likely lose your firearms license, and certainly be buried in a mountain of legal fees for years and years to come. While I don't agree with how it works, unfortunately that tends to be the norm here if Canada. But again, totally up to you to try to justify it to a court of law. Take a read up on the Ian Thompson case, if you aren't already familiar with it.
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The Thompson case is a very bad example, he fired warning shots at a tree didn't he?
 
no kids in the house. Just the wife an me. If someone breaks in I would guess that the wife would stay in the bedroom so little chance of her getting hit. Also with a shotgun with say bird shot in it ( a lot of pellets and wide spread ) and a short barrel and no choke you are not going to get much distance to the shot so not likely going to go through the brick wall of my house and hit a neighbor.
 
I was only making the point that regardless of the (even perceived) threat to your life, as he was being firebombed and attacked in his rural property by several perpetrators, the "reasonable" use of force is very hard to prove. Agreed, it isn't completely similar to this discussion. Sorry for the confusion. By the way, to respond to the actual original post, I have a 12.5" Norc HP9 with ghost ring sights that has never ever let me down. I would put some night sights on it, and it would probably be my go to in a home defense scenario. Quickly throw some 00 buckshot in that baby and you are good to go! Best of luck!
 
and he left the house. They were not breaking in. They were just trying to burn his house down. His life was not in imminent danger. There was not someone their with a gun trying to break into his house and kill him. Just a bunch of drunk bikers.
 
Tarrantula said:
I think you are technically correct, however, proving you are "justified" and your use of force (in this case shooting someone with a shotgun) is "necessary" as opposed to, say, tackling the intruder, using a baseball bat, a knife, etc., is going to be one hell of a long, uphill battle. You will likely lose your firearms license, and certainly be buried in a mountain of legal fees for years and years to come. While I don't agree with how it works, unfortunately that tends to be the norm here if Canada. But again, totally up to you to try to justify it to a court of law. Take a read up on the Ian Thompson case, if you aren't already familiar with it.
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Yep, heard all about that one. I guess the law and "the law" are just different things in Canada.
 
Even if they weren't breaking and entering, I would personally think that someone trying to burn your house down in the middle of the night certainly places your life in imminent danger. As I said, I don't agree with how the law seems to work here, but that being said, I would have no qualms about blasting the s**t out of anyone threatening me or my family in or around my house. Hopefully it never happens, and hopefully we get some better property defense/castle laws in this country soon.
 
Just exactly how many shells do you think you are going to need? Are we expecting a visit from the entire local Hell's Angels chapter?
 
BoogerChew said:
possibly.

I like the SAP6. Looks like it may be an option. What about the Mossberg 500 Roadblocker
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The Mossberg 500 shotguns are always a solid option, although I feel the Roadblocker configuration is a bit less practical and a little more tactical. I have the rolling thunder which is similar with a speed feed stock. I like it but its really front heavy and longer than it needs to be.

Those mag kits look good, but kinda expensive for my taste. Anyone here use one yet?
 
BoogerChew said:
Hey MetalMike. Thanks for your input. I would prefer a magazine fed shotgun as it is easy and quick to load them. Feeding a tube with someone breaking into the house could be a little time consuming, especially when the adrenalin is going.

It is not illegal to use a firearm to protect your life or the life of your family members. As long as you use reasonable force. If you shoot a kid with no weapon trying to steel your lawnmower you are in trouble. If you shoot a guy that has a knife or a gun and is trying to kill or rape your daughter you are okay.

Use your brain a little.
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While I do agree with you about what a person should be able to do and what would/should be expected by most. However, our laws are as such that you would not be ok. There are situations out there where the home owner has simply pointed their firearm at the perp and it is the he owner that gets charged with an FA offence. Although shooting someone that is trying to rape a family member may be just cause, you had better have deep pockets to prove it.
 
BoogerChew said:
possibly.

I like the SAP6. Looks like it may be an option. What about the Mossberg 500 Roadblocker
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I have the Roadblocker and it's excellent. It's a close range 500 pump shotgun with a PGO and a brake, but is definitely not practical. I can hit a target at 30ft shooting from the hip but probably not much further. OEM PG is terrible, but the brake works very well, although adds weight and length to the barrel.

Unfortunately you are back to the original dilemma of pump vs mag. Either way you have an unloaded firearm, trigger locked or in a safe, then have to load it under stress.
 
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