Best gun safe, bar none?

Lol safe is only as strong as the person with the key!

Honestly if someone wants in and isn’t deterred by the safe itself your paying for “time to break in” even the best safes I’m the world can be broken in min not hours with the right tools and know how.

cabinets under 1 min
Generic “safes” 2-5min
Liberty safes 5-15 min (great video on their site of live guys trying to break them)

Liberty is a great brand and has competitions for guys to break into their safes if they can do it in under a specified time per model they get cash rewards. No better method of product testing in my mind... also huge water and fire liability insurance on them.
 
Foxer2373 said:
Lol safe is only as strong as the person with the key!

Honestly if someone wants in and isn’t deterred by the safe itself your paying for “time to break in” even the best safes I’m the world can be broken in min not hours with the right tools and know how.

cabinets under 1 min
Generic “safes” 2-5min
Liberty safes 5-15 min (great video on their site of live guys trying to break them)

Liberty is a great brand and has competitions for guys to break into their safes if they can do it in under a specified time per model they get cash rewards. No better method of product testing in my mind... also huge water and fire liability insurance on them.
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Agreed. Zip cut wheels & plasma cutters really simplify the job.
It really helps to have a strong and secure dwelling to keep the safes in that is well above flood zone and is fire resistant, both inside & out.

Of course these measures can't work well if folks with piles of goodies to protect are out there promoting themselves and their goods on the web or in public.
The folks that show themselves & their dwellings are really attracting attention from all sorts of bastards with ill intent.
 
After reading the Hargreaves story I figure it's best to hide firearms. They can't be stolen if they can't be found. Hidden locked cases.
 
A gun safe is a safe that was designed to be affordable for the average person. A gun safe is always a compromise on security. If you have the money to swing it, and the floor to support it, your best bet is always equipment meant for banks or jewelers with a custom interior. Almost every piece of advice you will get on gun safes on the internet is based on marketing materials or straight misinformation.

I can get you a price on a Chubb Trident 1120. It is 6000lbs, 1.8m high & 1.5m wide with double doors. It is built to exceed European standard EN 1143-1 Grade VI EX which makes it basically burglar and explosive proof. It will also protect the contents from showing any damage in a 1000 degree fire for 1hr. There is maybe two people in Canada that could crack this safe (depending on what locks you ordered on it, of course) but more likely someone would have to be flown from the UK to defeat it if you were to cause a lock out.

None of these internet heros saying all safes can be opened could get into it. I don't care if they had a gas powered concrete saw.

That being said, it will run you at least 30,000$ not including delivery, placement or a custom interior. And this is just a plain jane model... There are many luxury safe manufacturers who would build you something for 2x to 20x more than that... Buben & Zorweg, Dottling, Stockinger, Boca de Lobo, Underwood London, etc.

If it turns out that money IS actually a factor after all, haha, you can always get some really good ex-banking equipment for a fraction of the price.

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Wal-Mart Greeter said:
A gun safe is a safe that was designed to be affordable for the average person. A gun safe is always a compromise on security. If you have the money to swing it, and the floor to support it, your best bet is always equipment meant for banks or jewelers with a custom interior. Almost every piece of advice you will get on gun safes on the internet is based on marketing materials or straight misinformation.

I can get you a price on a Chubb Trident 1120. It is 6000lbs, 1.8m high & 1.5m wide with double doors. It is built to exceed European standard EN 1143-1 Grade VI EX which makes it basically burglar and explosive proof. It will also protect the contents from showing any damage in a 1000 degree fire for 1hr. There is maybe two people in Canada that could crack this safe (depending on what locks you ordered on it, of course) but more likely someone would have to be flown from the UK to defeat it if you were to cause a lock out.

None of these internet heros saying all safes can be opened could get into it. I don't care if they had a gas powered concrete saw.

That being said, it will run you at least 30,000$ not including delivery, placement or a custom interior. And this is just a plain jane model... There are many luxury safe manufacturers who would build you something for 2x to 20x more than that... Buben & Zorweg, Dottling, Stockinger, Boca de Lobo, Underwood London, etc.

If it turns out that money IS actually a factor after all, haha, you can always get some really good ex-banking equipment for a fraction of the price.
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The prices aren’t a show stopper though I won’t pretend they’re inconsequential, I’ve yet to and never will make it to the point I don’t need to consider how much time working that is. I like their 650 or whatever is it, about $16,000 Cad plus getting it here, so 20s, which is fair for the security. Frankly my biggest apprehension would be the nightmare of moving and placing something that weighs literal tons, we plan to move too in the nearish future and can’t fathom the fun of moving several tons.
 
Ardent said:
The prices aren’t a show stopper though I won’t pretend they’re inconsequential, I’ve yet to and never will make it to the point I don’t need to consider how much time working that is. I like their 650 or whatever is it, about $16,000 Cad plus getting it here, so 20s, which is fair for the security. Frankly my biggest apprehension would be the nightmare of moving and placing something that weighs literal tons, we plan to move too in the nearish future and can’t fathom the fun of moving several tons.
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If the floor is strong enough and doors wide enough rollers and jacks are pretty functional for those familiar with them. Once outside, a forklift/crane and flatbed make anything less than 5 tons easy to move. Considering the $$ you spend for the safe, moving it is not a huge expense. Once you get it on flat deck trailer you can haul it anywhere. Overseas of course is a different story. At work anything under 5,000lbs is "light", but we have rollers, jacks, lots of fork machines and cranes. 4hr of machine time $800, 2 extra guys 4hr@$100per ($800), roller and jack rental $300, figure $2K at each end if you haul it.
 
frabill said:
Here we go, chuck says so so that's that. Just like on AO. Lol

I'm sure you're familiar with the Hargreaves story so yeah enough time and effort and tools they'll get in.
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No offense to Mr Hargreaves but anyone who leaves the country for weeks at a time without even a basic self-monitored alarm system hooked up shouldn’t have even bothered with a safe. Security 101. Stop quoting that story as a justification for buying cheap ####. Mistakes were made, there.
 
frabill said:
Here we go, chuck says so so that's that. Just like on AO. Lol

I'm sure you're familiar with the Hargreaves story so yeah enough time and effort and tools they'll get in.
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I know this is true because I have experience with it. Generally that’s all I comment on. Things I have experience with. But there are safes out there that would literally take days to get into.
 
Ardent said:
The prices aren’t a show stopper though I won’t pretend they’re inconsequential, I’ve yet to and never will make it to the point I don’t need to consider how much time working that is. I like their 650 or whatever is it, about $16,000 Cad plus getting it here, so 20s, which is fair for the security. Frankly my biggest apprehension would be the nightmare of moving and placing something that weighs literal tons, we plan to move too in the nearish future and can’t fathom the fun of moving several tons.
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Yes, I agree about the moving... Generally I would recommend a high end standalone safe like that only for a business or a shop-style set up. Where there is concrete floor and easy access. These high end safes are for places where people could potentially have unrestricted access for longer periods. In the standard residential setting where people are more often around I would recommend a gun room constructed with security mesh and a burglary resistant door. If money really is no object, or you are building a brand new home, you could go full on modular vault or traditional reinforced concrete with a fire resistant vault door. You can go crazy with secret escape hatches and the like if you build from scratch.

Obviously any investment in a safe or gun room should be followed by investment in an alarm and camera system. Seismic sensors, heat detectors are not optional. If you go with a monitored commercial system you should either go with 2 independent, redundant systems or at least a self-monitored independent system on top of the commercial system. Low voltage techs are underpaid and like to gossip so you want some redundancy to keep your alarm company honest lol
 
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