Best gunsmith in Canada?

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I'm interested in the opinions of those who actually have the experience with this.

Who in Canada makes the best, most accurate rifles from Rem 700 actions? There is little doubt that GA Precision or perhaps TacOps in the US are the best, considering their 1/3 MOA guarantees and their incredible resumes of successes. Is there someone that good here who can turn a 800 dollar factory rifle and a 500 dollar custom barrel into a real precision tool that I won't outshoot in a season?
 
GA and TacOps are know for tactical style rifles. I have and shoot a GA Precision rifle, but I would not say that they are the best in terms of accuracy. While they are certainly accurate and popular, there are many gunsmiths out there that can build an accurate rig on the 700 action, although it may not be as tacticool as the ones those guys put.

In Canada, Alberta Tactical Rifle comes to mind if you want the full tactical look.

Joe Kroetsch is know for building highly accurate rifle for many people who compete in international events. However, he does not do any firearm coatings.
 
Redpoints said:
I'm interested in the opinions of those who actually have the experience with this.

Who in Canada makes the best, most accurate rifles from Rem 700 actions? There is little doubt that GA Precision or perhaps TacOps in the US are the best, considering their 1/3 MOA guarantees and their incredible resumes of successes. Is there someone that good here who can turn a 800 dollar factory rifle and a 500 dollar custom barrel into a real precision tool that I won't outshoot in a season?
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A friend of mine has a Tacops rifle in 308 - nothing special to my way of thinking, and i can tell yoyu without a doubt that the rangesports Unlimited, Milcun precision, PGW or several other Canadian outfits can do as good a job for less than what that rifle costs to get here.
1/3MOA with three or five shots is no biggy these days BTW.
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There are many who could do an excellent job, ending up with a rifle that's just as good as the others. Some have a presence on this site, some don't.

There's Dennis Sorenson, Mick McPhee, Casey/Tacord, Ed/VBull, and probably a dozen other guys I'm not mentioning or haven't heard of. High quality parts put together by someone competent, it'd be hard to tell them apart. Anyone can do tacticool too, if that's what you want. I'd put one of their big pimpin' rifles up against any other, GAP included. At competitions the rifles are built by many different people, and at the end of the day it's the shooter that gets the results. I've seen a lot of guys who have great rifles completely step on their #### when they try to shoot it. Having the internet-approved-du jour toy guarantees nothing.
 
There are a number of great options in Canada for this equal to the quality at GA or TacOps or any other place for that matter....
 
I have had rifles built by several Canadian companies including N.A.S.S,.Premier Firearms,Corlanes,and PGW.All were accurate rifles,but PGW wasn't worth the hassle dealing with(were busy with government contract,and seemed to have no time for anything else,even though they had accepted my order,and my money),and N.A.S.S and Premier no longer exist..Rod at Corlanes did excellent work for me,and I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him again.
 
This is an honest

no BS response.

Decide what type of rifle you want. Be it 100/200 BR, F-Class, Tac-Ti-Cool, or Long Range BR.

Find someone who shoots what you are wanting and whether or not they have shot at a MAJOR Competition. I mean MAJOR with a CAPITAL M. This would be something like Bisley, NBRSA Nationals etc. See how well they have done against the top WORLD smiths and the other shooters.

That may give you a start.

A rifle is only as good as the barrel and chambering job that is on it at the time. To have the best takes lots of barrels, bullets, powder and primers. Then and only then you will be able to figure out in short order if you have the best in your hand.

We definately have WORLD CLASS SMITHS in Canada. Everyone will have an opinion on this subject. Not to knock our Canadian smiths but the next rifle I ever do for competition will be US built. Easier to get all the parts to a smith in the US and Import the finished product. If there is an issue with a part it can be resolved before it comes to Canada. Thus no need for the hassle of trying to get it rectified.

JMHO

CBY
 
Even the best gunsmith in the world can't put perfume on a pig, if you want a REAL "precision tool" you should buy real "precision parts." Call me crazy but you CAN do better (and worse) than a Rem 700 or Stevens action despite what the interwebz snipers say....

On the other hand, if that's all you have to work with, call up any 'smith mentioned and they will all get you to the same point. PGW, ATRS, Mick McPhee, Dennis Sorenson, Bill Leeper, Henry Remple, Ted Gaillard etc..... plus there is usually your hobbyist riflesmith that shoots at local competitions if you want to stay close to home.
 
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I personality have rifles built by ATR and TacOrd and the end product is "top shelf"

Having said that Keith at MilCun is not often spoken of but very highly rated IMO.

Joe Kroetsch is know for building highly accurate rifle
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WOW is Joe still around? he built my first "precision" rifle in 22.250, great work as well!!
 
Budweiser360 said:
Even the best gunsmith in the world can't put perfume on a pig, if you want a REAL "precision tool" you should buy real "precision parts." Call me crazy but you CAN do better (and worse) than a Rem 700
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Yes this is true, but if I had an AIAW or something already capable of the accuracy I want I would not be asking this question. What I have is a rem 700, an action that I know is capable of a lot, and a brand new Krieger. That is why I want to know who will do the best possible job putting them together. I know lots are capable of putting a to b, but it would be a shame to have someone just throw the two together and get a product which is no better than the original factory rifle, or worse!

And as I said in the OP, I really want to know your opinions if you have the experience to back it up. There is no way anyone has 7 custom rifles from 7 different makers, so why do some people just drop 7 names? I also have heard of them, but personal experience counts for alot more than hearsay.
 
Lots of guys here compete with Dennis Sorensen's rifles.
No Bullsh1t and perfection every time.

If he lived in the states he would be charging five times as much, would drive a Porsche, and would be an a$$hole.....Well Dennis 2 out of 3 aint bad! :p :D
JK! He's a great guy to deal with.

If the " worlds best" gunsmith made such a big difference guys such as Tony Boyer would use that guy....He doesn't.

All I have to say is be careful of a guy that makes unrealistic promises.
 
Redpoints,

I say just sell your POS Remington 700 and get a real gun - an AI or a Sako TRG and be done with it
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Keith at MilCun has done a lot for me in the past few years, and saved me a lot of hassle in the process. Almost all of my match guns have been worked on by him and the work he does is top notch. I placed 3rd in the 3 gun at NSCC this year with two rifles he did up for me.
 
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And as I said in the OP, I really want to know your opinions if you have the experience to back it up. There is no way anyone has 7 custom rifles from 7 different makers, so why do some people just drop 7 names? I also have heard of them, but personal experience counts for alot more than hearsay.
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The people I have mentioned do not "throw together" a rifle, and yes I have owned or still own guns made by more than a few competition gunsmiths.
And yes, I do know more than a few guys who have seven guns built by seven different 'smiths that are World class accurate, but i use only two these days.
I've said it before on this thread and I will say it again, Ii would not baother to go Stateside to get w rifle built when I can get an excellent rifle built here.
Smith, McPhee , King and others build gretat barrels, and Kreiger, McGowan, Shilen, etc can be had up here with no sweat.
RPA, Surgeon, Hart, and other actions can be had as can triggers.
Ian Robertson, and Range Sports Unlimited make super custom stocks in Canada , just to name a few, so why go down south?
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any better than this quality?
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I can honestly say "NOPE"!!
The first rifle was a heckuva lot more expensive , however.....


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Ian Robertson built me a 223 rem for F/TR on a Barnard S action some what similar to a rem 700 that can group better than I can shoot it. I have shot at 300y 3 bullets touching
and then put the next 2 out 1/2" to 3/4" and I know its not gun its me. and I am using a 42x scope. friend had Mic Mc fee make up a 223 that shoot some awsome as well
manitou
 
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