Best lube/grease for AR

I knew it! (Obviously I didn't cuz I still bought it).

I got this brand new unfired colt sporter from the 90' (my first AR ever) and I cannot use the damn thing yet because I cannot find proper lube or grease around me! I want this baby to last a long time so I want to start right away with proper combination of grease and lube am I too much?

All I have in stock right now is like outer's tri-lube and shooter's choice FP-10, let's not talk about the breech plug grease anymore... lol

and sorry for my english
 
.45Barracuda said:
I knew it! (Obviously I didn't cuz I still bought it).

I got this brand new unfired colt sporter from the 90' (my first AR ever) and I cannot use the damn thing yet because I cannot find proper lube or grease around me! I want this baby to last a long time so I want to start right away with proper combination of grease and lube am I too much?

All I have in stock right now is like outer's tri-lube and shooter's choice FP-10, let's not talk about the breech plug grease anymore... lol

and sorry for my english
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I'll buy it from you for $500.00. Send me pictures and we'll talk. :yingyang:
 
You are overthinking this. Apply whatever lube you have on hand, including regular old motor oil, and just go shooting. You are not going to break your AR.
 
I went to general bearing store and got myself a tube of Timken grease for heavy industries (red cap).It's sythetic industrial grease NLGI grade 2.
Anyone uses this one?
 
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Mike_R23A said:
Wrong, a thin coat of grease works excellent. Running a dry gun in a dirty/sandy environment is far far worse.

Any high-temp wheel bearing grease will work. I use Motomaster Wheel Bearing & Chassis Lube, it comes in handy 200g squeeze tubes.
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Mike_R23A,
Thanks for the suggestion I went to CA a bought a tube.....
 
Isn't Tactical Response the training company made by that guy (James Yeager) who forgot to release the hand brake in Iraq, therefore got his vehicle and his buddies trapped in a kill zone, and decided to hot foot it out of there and hide in a ditch while his former buddies got killed?
 
DASQ said:
Isn't Tactical Response the training company made by that guy (James Yeager) who forgot to release the hand brake in Iraq, therefore got his vehicle and his buddies trapped in a kill zone, and decided to hot foot it out of there and hide in a ditch while his former buddies got killed?
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Tactical Response is indeed the company run by James Yeager. As for his involvement with the Iraq incident, I suggest you reserve comment unless you know the facts. Errors were made and not just by Yeager.

TDC
 
Rich LPS said:
Was James Yeager a truck driver for the US Army?
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No, he was a driver in a PSD convoy that came under attack while stopped on an MSR(route Irish I believe?). Two of his fellow contractors who were sitting on the passenger side were killed in the initial volley of fire which also came from the passenger side of the vehicle. Yeager apparently failed to release the hand brake, thus stalling the unarmored vehicle. Yeager bailed out of the vehicle and sought cover in a nearby ditch. The death of his teammates has often been atributed to Yeagers actions alone. Here's how I see the sitaution.

Yeager was the driver, his sole purpose is to operate the vehicle, not engage threats.

The decision to stop on an MSR was foolish(team leaders decision)

The company that failed to provide armored vehicles is also to blame.

The initial volley of fire killed the two contractors which tells me that any action or rather reaction on Yeagers part after the initial contact is irrelevant.

The initial volley also came from the passenger side of the vehicle, which means the two operators sitting on that side of the vehicle(the two that were killed) had the responsibility of covering the very section where the attack came from and they also had the best positions with which to engage the threats.

Further to this, the other two vehicles in the convoy apparently failed to see the threat as no one engaged the insurgents until after the lead car(Yeager's) was engaged.

Errors were made but it wasn't only Yeager who f*cked up.

TDC
 
I don't know for my AR's I can not leave CLP, although their are better stand alone cleaners and preservatives...I always end up just bringing that with me most of the time.
 
Been reading about grease lately. Alot.

No, I am not recently divorced. I just prefer to know how things work with some degree of precision as opposed to adopting a belief in a product on faith. The former predilection describes sound science, while the latter describes voodoo/religion.


Interested in TW25B and why the claims about its reliability.

I know a number of guys who use and love Lithium grease, or a Lithium based Moly emulsion. But I wanted to know more than anecdotal information. Not just how well it works, but WHY.

I learned that a characteristic problem with Lithium and Sodium based greases are not resistant to the actions of water, but that Calcium based greases are. In my mind, this made Lithium based greases a s**t solution for wet environments. After all, the function of grease is sort of like a sponge carrying the primary lubricant component in its pores. Upon shearing force, the viscosity approaches the same viscosity as the base oil used in the grease. If washed away, you are no better off than if bare oil had run out of the gun, yes?

Initially, I could find nothing but marketing info. Then it occurred to me that for the product to be available for sale in Canada, and MSDS sheet would have to be freely available describing its chemical contents. After checking for chemical compositions for TW25B, I was not really surprised to find that it is indeed Calcium based.

Any chemists here who can explain more thoroughly why?


Here is the MSDS sheet for TW25B for anyone interested.

http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/msds/docs/wcd0002d/wcd02d91.htm
Material Safety Data Sheet
SECTION I - Material Identity
SECTION II - Manufacturer's Information
SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
SECTION IV - Fire and Explosion Hazard Data
SECTION V - Reactivity Data
SECTION VI - Health Hazard Data
SECTION VII - Precautions for Safe Handling and Use
SECTION VIII - Control Measures
SECTION IX - Label Data
SECTION X - Transportation Data
SECTION XI - Site Specific/Reporting Information
SECTION XII - Ingredients/Identity Information

SECTION I - Material Identity
Item Name
Part Number/Trade Name TW-25B HIGH-TECH LUBRICANT
National Stock Number 9150014390858
CAGE Code 0BAN7
Part Number Indicator A
MSDS Number 183876
HAZ Code B

SECTION II - Manufacturer's Information
Manufacturer Name MIL-COMM PRODUCTS COMPANY, INC
P.O. Box 43278
City UPPER MONTCLAIR
State NJ
Country US
Zip Code 07043-0278
Emergency Phone 800 424-9300
Information Phone 973 743-5404

MSDS Preparer's Information
Street PO BOX 43278
City UPPER MONTCLAIR
State NJ
Zip Code 07043-0278
Date MSDS Prepared/Revised 21NOV97
Active Indicator Y

Alternate Vendors

SECTION III - Physical/Chemical Characteristics
Appearance/Odor OFF-WHITE, SWEET
Boiling Point NA
Melting Point NA
Vapor Pressure NA
Vapor Density NA
Specific Gravity 1.48
Decomposition Temperature NR
Evaporation Rate NR
Solubility in Water LONG TERM-NEG
Percent Volatiles by Volume NR
Chemical pH NR
Corrosion Rate NR
Container Pressure Code 4
Temperature Code 8
Product State Code U

SECTION IV - Fire and Explosion Hazard Data
Flash Point Method COC
Lower Explosion Limit NA
Upper Explosion Limit NR
Extinguishing Media CARBON DIOXIDE, DRY CHEMICALS
Special Fire Fighting Procedures USE SCBA
Unusual Fire/Explosion Hazards INHAL OF THERMAL DECOMP PRODUCTS OF FLUOROCARBONS MUST BE AVOIDED

SECTION V - Reactivity Data
Stability YES
Stability Conditions to Avoid STRONG ACIDS, BASES & OXIDIZING AGENTS
Materials to Avoid STABLE
Hazardous Decomposition Products THERMAL DECOMP MAY PRODUCE HF AND/OR PHOSPHOROUS OXIDE
Hazardous Polymerization NO
Polymerization Conditions to Avoid WILL NOT OCCUR

SECTION VI - Health Hazard Data
Route of Entry: Skin U
Route of Entry: Ingestion U
Route of Entry: Inhalation U
Health Hazards - Acute and Chronic [ACUTE] NA [CHRONIC] NA
Carcinogenity: NTP NO
Carcinogenity: IARC NO
Carcinogenity: OSHA NO
Explanation of Carcinogenity NR
Symptoms of Overexposure NONE KNOWN
Medical Cond. Aggrevated by Exposure NONE KNOWN
Emergency/First Aid Procedures IF ANY IS INGESTED, CONTACT PHYSICIAN. DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING, DRINK PLENTY OF WATER

SECTION VII - Precautions for Safe Handling and Use
Steps if Material Released/Spilled SALVAGE UNCONTAMINATED MATERIAL. OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF AS WASTE OIL. DO NOT INCINERATE
Neutralizing Agent NR
Waste Disposal Method DISPOSE IAW FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL REGULATIONS
Handling and Storage Precautions NONE
Other Precautions NR

SECTION VIII - Control Measures
Respiratory Protection NO SPECIAL REQUIEMENT
Ventilation IF SPRAYING
Protective Gloves RUBBER
Eye Protection GOGGLES, ADVISABLE (NOT REQUIRED)
Other Protective Equipment AVOID INGESTION, WASH SKIN OR CLOTHING WITH DETERGENT
Work Hygenic Practices WASH HANDS AFTER USE
Supplemental Health/Safety Data NR
Disposal Code O

SECTION IX - Label Data
Protect Eye YES
Protect Skin YES
Protect Respiratory NO
Chronic Indicator NO
Contact Code NONE
Fire Code UNKNOWN
Health Code UNKNOWN
React Code UNKNOWN

SECTION X - Transportation Data
Container Quantity 8
Unit of Measure OZN

SECTION XI - Site Specific/Reporting Information
Volatile Organic Compounds (P/G) 0
Volatile Organic Compounds (G/L) 0

SECTION XII - Ingredients/Identity Information
Ingredient # 01
Ingredient Name CALCIUM SULFONATE/CARBOXYLATE COMPLEX
CAS Number 1003
Proprietary NO
Percent 0
Ingredient # 02
Ingredient Name PHOSPHORIC ACID, TRIS(METHYLPHENYL) ESTER
CAS Number 1330785
Proprietary NO
Percent 0
ACGIH TLV 5 MG/M3
Ingredient # 03
Ingredient Name SYNTHETIC OIL (ORGANIC ESTERS & HIGHLY REFINED MINERAL OILS
CAS Number 1003
Proprietary NO
Percent 0
ACGIH TLV 5 MG/M3
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WHY:
Asking why and finding out helps you understand life's overpriced parallels; such as why the ridiculously overpriced dental pulp-vitality spray (hfc134a) is pretty much PC duster spray (hfc134a) with a mint scent.

I might be nit-picking, but shouldn't you f**king ask when a PVT is going to cost you ~$50 at the chair to find out if your tooth is cold sensitive?

Overview:
http://205.153.241.230/P2_Opportunity_Handbook/3_VII_3.html

The ozone depleting substance (ODS) CFC-114 has typically been used as a refrigerant spray for conducting cold-sensitivity studies at dental clinics. Alternatives are now available which utilize HFC-134a in place of CFC-114.

Refrigerant sprays are applied by applying the refrigerant to a piece of cotton, then placing the cotton to the patient’s tooth. The dentist then observes the patient’s reaction and evaluates a course of action. These sprays are much colder than ice or ethyl chloride, at a temperature of approximately -20oC. These sprays have typically contained the ODS CFC-114, but now have been reformulated to incorporate HFC-134a instead. While not a class I ODS, HFC-134a is a green house gas and has a global warming potential.
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I'm always happy to have the same for less.
 
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