Best non-res SHTF gun?
- Thread starter Slowbalt
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Ok, if I were to pick one currently Nonrestricted (in our non-Zombocalypse world), it would be either my Swiss arms 17" carbine flattop, or the 14" carbine with iron sights and aimpoint.
Realistically I'd probably pick the 14.3" one for its iron sights and the more compact barrel.
If the dead really do walk, to hell with restricted status...I'd grab my LMT CQB-MRP 16" piston gun with my 22+ PMAGS and my spare 12" piston barrel conversion kit too!!!!
Of course if I had 22 Swissarms mags I'd still probably pick the swissarms over the LMT.
Realistically I'd probably pick the 14.3" one for its iron sights and the more compact barrel.
If the dead really do walk, to hell with restricted status...I'd grab my LMT CQB-MRP 16" piston gun with my 22+ PMAGS and my spare 12" piston barrel conversion kit too!!!!
Of course if I had 22 Swissarms mags I'd still probably pick the swissarms over the LMT.
- Location
- big sky country
Airborn_69 is 100% correct.
If the SHTF there is no restricted vs non-restricted. That all goes out the window in a flash.
If my life depended on it, I'd grab my 14.5" LMT, my .22 conversion kit and all the .223 and .22 ammo I could carry.
If the SHTF there is no restricted vs non-restricted. That all goes out the window in a flash.
If my life depended on it, I'd grab my 14.5" LMT, my .22 conversion kit and all the .223 and .22 ammo I could carry.
Something in .308 cause it's easy to find ammo, and a good all around caliber. It will give you decent distance and still pack a punch. I don't think I should need anything beyond 200M, cause any farther than that I'm going to sit quiet and let it pass by. Probably something like an M-305
A good 12 guage pump (870 or 500) cause if SHTH lots of 00 buck is as close as we can get to a submachinegun
A good .22 (a 10/22 or a 64B) because you can find parts for them everywhere, plus all of the above mentioned reasons.
What I don't understand about this is that whenever this subject comes up I hear people talking about heading for the bush and hunting deer/moose etc for food. My acreage has a well with good water. And maybe I don't get the acronym, but when TSHTF does that mean all the cattle are gone. I'm thinking they are alot easier to hunt that a white tail, more tasty too.
A good 12 guage pump (870 or 500) cause if SHTH lots of 00 buck is as close as we can get to a submachinegun
A good .22 (a 10/22 or a 64B) because you can find parts for them everywhere, plus all of the above mentioned reasons.
What I don't understand about this is that whenever this subject comes up I hear people talking about heading for the bush and hunting deer/moose etc for food. My acreage has a well with good water. And maybe I don't get the acronym, but when TSHTF does that mean all the cattle are gone. I'm thinking they are alot easier to hunt that a white tail, more tasty too.
Plan for the worst and hope for the best. Don't bank on having others in your party being armed and capable(mentally) of doing business. The diversity in arms in the military is a different animal. Their(military) goal is vastly different than that of the surviving citizen. There is no need for Joe citizen to engage everyone they meet or observe. That being said, anything a shotgun can do, a rifle can do better. The vast majority of firearms in society are rifles. A rifle vs rifle conflict is "fair" for the most part. A rifle vs shotgun is a one sided engagement. There's a reason shotguns aren't common place amongst soldiers.
TDC
macadoodle
CGN Regular
- Location
- Edmonchuck
1 SKS
2 No.5Mk.1 Lee enfield
3 $100 Tok 9mm handgun
4 10/22 for hunting small game
All durable, cheap and lots of ammo.
2 No.5Mk.1 Lee enfield
3 $100 Tok 9mm handgun
4 10/22 for hunting small game
All durable, cheap and lots of ammo.
all sucking wind and not thinking. 12ga 23/4 (maybe 3"). almost every farmer has one. meaning ammo is more likely then 308 223 ect. besides can shoot slugs shot or a combo. it isn't as cool as the m16 but were talking worst case. i would love to say i would grab my 45 and 223 (witch i would) but.....remember the peace maker didn't tame the west the shotgun did. you are surviving not engaging and destroying the enemy. you want to avoid conflict.
I'm not quite sure I follow your logic. If you're referring to a situation involving societal collapse, why are you concerned with the firearm's classification? That particular attribute should be the least of your worries if survival becomes paramount.
The shotgun is still the most versatile firearm available. Hands down.
Without me writing it up, here's a fairly good article. It's non-restricted, light and portable. Personally, I'm a Mossberg 930 fan.
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/shotgunpace.htm
Semi-auto Shotgun, Mossberg 930 (this is a no-schucking zone)
Without me writing it up, here's a fairly good article. It's non-restricted, light and portable. Personally, I'm a Mossberg 930 fan.
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/shotgunpace.htm
Semi-auto Shotgun, Mossberg 930 (this is a no-schucking zone)
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Starscream
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Alberta
Well what kind of SHTF are we talking about?
Home invader? Shotgun: Home becomes your fortress, and defensive CQC is where the shotguns reigns king.
Power outage for more then 72 hours / Hurricane katrina / tornado / something else similar? Pistol; concealment is paramount when trying to retrieve survival rations from an urban zone while police and military try to get the situation under control. Keep the shotgun back for home defense.
Roving gangs of armed thieves / rapists / thugs? ....Why the f**k did I stay around long enough for those to become a real problem? Nevertheless, definitely a rifle, either AR15, VZ, or M305, whichever I can grab and load quickest.
Zombies? ...Rifle. Nuff said.
My catch all solution for all the above?
Buy at least one of each.
What kind of SHTF are you talking about, a concentrated Russian invasion?
If that's the case, a rifle and I'd build a suppressor to slap onto it and find as many mags to unpin as possible.
Home invader? Shotgun: Home becomes your fortress, and defensive CQC is where the shotguns reigns king.
Power outage for more then 72 hours / Hurricane katrina / tornado / something else similar? Pistol; concealment is paramount when trying to retrieve survival rations from an urban zone while police and military try to get the situation under control. Keep the shotgun back for home defense.
Roving gangs of armed thieves / rapists / thugs? ....Why the f**k did I stay around long enough for those to become a real problem? Nevertheless, definitely a rifle, either AR15, VZ, or M305, whichever I can grab and load quickest.
Zombies? ...Rifle. Nuff said.
My catch all solution for all the above?
Buy at least one of each.
What kind of SHTF are you talking about, a concentrated Russian invasion?
If that's the case, a rifle and I'd build a suppressor to slap onto it and find as many mags to unpin as possible.
I know a guy who'd tell you different..."Slugs out to 200m"
I always end up
You "know a guy" how many shotgun owners can reliably hit a man sized target at 200m either moving or stationary on demand with iron sights? 200m is great, a rifle can double that or better. Rate of fire from any semi auto rifle is superior as is the accuracy.
Ammo would/should be common. Sadly its probably birdshot or buckshot limiting both your range and effectiveness. Avoiding a confrontation is priority one. Unfortunately you don't always dictate the situation and its variables.
TDC
Well what kind of SHTF are we talking about?
Home invader? Shotgun: Home becomes your fortress, and defensive CQC is where the shotguns reigns king.
Power outage for more then 72 hours / Hurricane katrina / tornado / something else similar? Pistol; concealment is paramount when trying to retrieve survival rations from an urban zone while police and military try to get the situation under control. Keep the shotgun back for home defense.
Roving gangs of armed thieves / rapists / thugs? ....Why the f**k did I stay around long enough for those to become a real problem? Nevertheless, definitely a rifle, either AR15, VZ, or M305, whichever I can grab and load quickest.
Zombies? ...Rifle. Nuff said.
My catch all solution for all the above?
Buy at least one of each.
What kind of SHTF are you talking about, a concentrated Russian invasion?
If that's the case, a rifle and I'd build a suppressor to slap onto it and find as many mags to unpin as possible.
good post! I think I have to agree with you on a lot of these. Long range rifle set up for zombies? Or is semi-auto more important
I agree totally but then again if SHTF then most likely all personal guns will be banned in a major disaster. If you need proof just do a search from the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. So in the end any "stored or antique" unregistered gun of any kind is better then nothing. But I didn't say that...
LOL... well the SHTF two days ago for peolpe in Vaughan and Durham region when the F2 tornados touched down on their homes. If someone in that area thought they were all "prepared" is now S out of luck. Ooooooh... look what just landed in my backyard... dang it... the barrels bent .
I just hope they resisdence don't become victims of looting....
.I just hope they resisdence don't become victims of looting....
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If one reads of anything firearm related in New Orleans/Mississippi post Katrina, alot of patterns emerge.
Shotguns & pistols became very sought after down there.
Anything in 12 gauge sold first off.
With a concentration of local, state and federal LEO, suddenly 9mm/40 S&W and a lesser extent .223 were scooped up by police forces, caught without sufficient supplies & citizens in need second.
When the fed's left, there was some 38/357 & 45 ACP, were left on the shelves which very soon, sold out to the frantic public buyers.
When rooftop rescues gained momentum, short arms such as these became even more valued, as survivors had to display 'empty hands' before airborne helicopter rescue would land.
There were police rifles & carbines used, but in limited situations, like guarding the stadium, or at roadblocks, and long range reach for boat patrols. Suprizingly very few National Guardsmen were armed and stepped back in the support role, to bring much needed supplies, such as water,food, gasoline, generators, and left alot of the aggressive armed patrolling to police forces.
We have all heard and read of the disturbing confiscations instigated illegaly by the mayor!
The nearby airbase at Belle Chase, has many ATCO trailers full of confiscated guns. (shame shame shame!!!)
Algier`s Point citizen militia, ùsed anything that would go bang. They were lucky as little of this district was flooded at all.
It been said through rumours that anything from a .22 magnum to an 8mm Mauser were used, and in many cases just the appearance of any battle rifle carried and displayed determinedly, was enough to disperse looters. Shotguns (12 gauge pump action were a hot comodity) no surprize here!
At night add-hoc barriers with improvised security lighting was paramount, and with limited visibility,sometimes gunfire into the air was required, to cease criminal intent rather quickly.
Those with gasoline and generators had many sleepless nights guarding them from looters.
A month after this disaster I spoke on the phone with a local businessman from St. George Parish, who kept ahead of the storm in his shrimp fishing boat with the radio tuned to NOAH forecast 24 and 7.
He said nieghbors,those that had to leave thier homes too late by car had many horror stories of stuck in traffic, and desperate starving persons looting who would not do so otherwise.
Shotguns & pistols became very sought after down there.
Anything in 12 gauge sold first off.
With a concentration of local, state and federal LEO, suddenly 9mm/40 S&W and a lesser extent .223 were scooped up by police forces, caught without sufficient supplies & citizens in need second.
When the fed's left, there was some 38/357 & 45 ACP, were left on the shelves which very soon, sold out to the frantic public buyers.
When rooftop rescues gained momentum, short arms such as these became even more valued, as survivors had to display 'empty hands' before airborne helicopter rescue would land.
There were police rifles & carbines used, but in limited situations, like guarding the stadium, or at roadblocks, and long range reach for boat patrols. Suprizingly very few National Guardsmen were armed and stepped back in the support role, to bring much needed supplies, such as water,food, gasoline, generators, and left alot of the aggressive armed patrolling to police forces.
We have all heard and read of the disturbing confiscations instigated illegaly by the mayor!
The nearby airbase at Belle Chase, has many ATCO trailers full of confiscated guns. (shame shame shame!!!)
Algier`s Point citizen militia, ùsed anything that would go bang. They were lucky as little of this district was flooded at all.
It been said through rumours that anything from a .22 magnum to an 8mm Mauser were used, and in many cases just the appearance of any battle rifle carried and displayed determinedly, was enough to disperse looters. Shotguns (12 gauge pump action were a hot comodity) no surprize here!
At night add-hoc barriers with improvised security lighting was paramount, and with limited visibility,sometimes gunfire into the air was required, to cease criminal intent rather quickly.
Those with gasoline and generators had many sleepless nights guarding them from looters.
A month after this disaster I spoke on the phone with a local businessman from St. George Parish, who kept ahead of the storm in his shrimp fishing boat with the radio tuned to NOAH forecast 24 and 7.
He said nieghbors,those that had to leave thier homes too late by car had many horror stories of stuck in traffic, and desperate starving persons looting who would not do so otherwise.
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