What are ppl's thoughts on the Su-16f?
Chambered in 223 - so its a good round. Polymer stock so nice and durable. Can carry 3x10 rnd magazines right on the gun. And the whole thing folds in half for easy carry!
I think I'd like to get one of these someday.
I owned one so here are my thoughts. This was my first semi gun so take it with a grain of salt:
PROS
-- I like the concept of the gun. It does fold nice in original configuration. I like idea of the American Su-16A better but really how often would you need to shoot with the stock folded (the F does not shoot with the stock folded).
-- very light gun. So if SHTF means lots of hiking, then that's great
-- you can replace the crappy stock mags with LAR 10 rounders (and then in the event of SHTF you just get whatever capacity ones you want).
-- non-restricted (but that means nothing in real SHTF scenario). But I guess in the lead up to it you can get plenty of "practice" in and not restricted to a range
-- I never really felt I had to clean it between shooting (but I did anyway). It shot very clean.
-- chrome lined barrel
-- field strip is fairly simple once you do it a couple times.
-- can replace the stock with AR pistol grip and other stock
-- I felt I could shoot several 10 round mags worth rapidfire and it felt fine. In a pinch yes it could get you out of a bind. It never felt so hot I had to stop.
-- 'bipod' that comes out of the original foregrip. I guess it's better than nothing but I also listed it as a con
-- I like the stock trigger.
-- comes with top rail
-- Kel-Tec service is very good I thought. Phone call, email had good responses and also the distributor Vault was very good to deal with. Twice Kel-Tec mailed me out parts at their cost. So get any issues worked out before SHTF!
-- bolt hold open on empty is nice
CONS
-- the original bipod /foregrip is a pure gimmick. It's dumb But I guess in a pinch...
-- if you don't like the original stock, none of the replacements will fold completely. The AR/stock addition only folds the gun into an "L", which is kind of awkward.
-- It is finicky with ammo. It did not like Chinese surplus .223 but it did fine with American Eagle.
-- some don't like the plastic top rail. I had no problem with it.
-- you need to replace the original foregrip in order to install a lower rail. Unless you elect to drill a rail into the plastic of the original foregrip.
-- not much in the way of accessories that don't require some bubba work. The good stuff is not shipped to Canada unfortunately.
-- the stock magazines totally blow. It's the worst toy plastic. One broke on me for no apparent reason. And those are the ones that fit into the original stock for easy carrying.
-- I don't think the foregrip or stock would stand up to battling zombies. It is not the same zytel as the receiver. I would not use it to mash anything.
-- *the receiver of some units broke and so did mine after maybe 2000 rounds. The distributor assured me that it was just some dozen or so in a particular run and replaced the entire package. Up until then I would have said the zytel was solid and I didn't feel it was flimsy. I have since traded it to someone who liked the pros over the cons.
-- AR replacement stock does not use a buffer. But never felt it needed it. It's .223. Not much recoil or rise.
-- barrel is thin so maybe rapidfire might affect accuracy. I don't know, I'm not an expert on that.
In sum. It's no battle rifle but it's good backpacker that can fire a military round decently. It's cheap and you can buy one as a backup even and not feel like it's much extra weight. Make sure you have a 'good' one before the zombies rise.
