I'm thinking the River PCC is a solid buy. I was at Cabelas here and finally took a look at the non modular railed version with glock mag adapter included. The mag type just makes the most sense for me, and wanted to add a NR variant and not spend $$$ on more mags.
Best NR 9mm Glock fed Pistol Calibre Carbine PCC
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I'm thinking the River PCC is a solid buy. I was at Cabelas here and finally took a look at the non modular railed version with glock mag adapter included. The mag type just makes the most sense for me, and wanted to add a NR variant and not spend $$$ on more mags.
If the safety hurts your hands, trim the lever, or go aftermarket. Hunting, plinking, or target I want reliability over anything else with all my firearms. In my opinion the EVO's reliability is superior to all PCC's sold today. also the easiest to dissemble/clean (my Ruger is a pain). Nothing against the other manufactures, but for PCC right now its hard to beat the CZ.
The CX4 is 100% reliable and has been for a number of years using virtually every available 9MM factory round and any reloads I have prepared. It also is and has been used by at least seven local and Federal Police units around the world. Beretta has been around for over 500 years which would indicate it makes quality, reliable products so, at least for the CX4 Storm your assumption is wrong. It also comes in a select fire version called the MX4 and has been sold to miltary units according to Wikipedia and as you might know Beretta makes 30 round mags which would fit both the Beretta 92FS series and the CX4 Storm.
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Bob
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I have heard good things about the CX4, never heard of one having issues. It is true that these are in service with military units and police. A point to not about this firearm is that the semi auto CX4 was designed first and then a select fire version was developed. It was marketed first to civilians, which is the opposite of most. I'd have to run one for a while to say for sure, but I'd have no issue trusting it. Hell of a bolt group in that one though...
I'd for sure want to do a top rail and stock mod...
h t t p://sierrapapacx4.com/index
The one I have came with four rails which was extra. The worst part of this gun is the trigger. Stock it is awful but it is improved with the Siera Papa all metal trigger group. The sights are really no hell either, easily cured by an optic.
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Bob
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Bob
To the guys plugging the CX4. I owned one a few years ago and sold it off. the drawback for me was the ambidextrous ports. they didn't close it off very well and blow back blast would hit you in the side of the face every shot. did they fix that at all?
The Evo is customizable in the same way something like an ACR is... yes u can get a few different and relatively hard to find propriety parts for them, and bolt things to them like any other rail/slotted firearm. BUT its nowhere near to being as customizable as the AR styled PCCs. There are literally 100s of different parts/accessories I could install on my JRC or a FX9. Most of which including the 10 rnd mags can be bought in any town that has over 50,000 people in them lol
Polymer isnt a take away for most rifles i agree, but excluding possible weight advantages it certainly isnt a plus.
I couldve bought a Evo with my budget, but after handling both and reading/watching tons of reviews I ultimately took home a Just Right Carbine. The mindset being that the only real advantage to me that the Evo offered over the JRC was its last round hold open and uber nice bolt release. Even the JRCs poor take down became a none issue once I installed the quick detach buffer system, offered, sold AND shipped right up here to Canada direct from the American based JRC company. The kindov service Id like to have backing all my firearms!
Im willing to bet 80% of the PCCs out there in law enforcement or military spend most of there life sitting on a shelf in a armory, in the trunk of vehicle, being fired in training drills, or dangling around the neck of some security guard at tourist attractions like Notre Dame or airports haha not much of a step up from wat civvys would subject them to.
I personally wouldnt view a PCCs former select fire ability as much of an advantage as well... to me that most often just means the gun has been designed sloppier and bulking than normal, and that the RCMP have more reasons to ban it.
Probably been said but APC9 Pro hands down the best imo.
This is the new gun which US army picked for sub gun contract.
Super Well made, Pro takes Glock mags and it looks sick.
Downside is the price at likely near 4K.
Wolverine has submitted for FRT but no idea how far along.
Hoping liberal scumbags don’t ban before approval...
This is the new gun which US army picked for sub gun contract.
Super Well made, Pro takes Glock mags and it looks sick.
Downside is the price at likely near 4K.
Wolverine has submitted for FRT but no idea how far along.
Hoping liberal scumbags don’t ban before approval...
After shooting a friends pistol sized version of the Evo I developed an itch that just needed scratching. So an Evo 3 Carbine version shoud be arriving this week on the back of a Canpar van. Thanks Tenda for your fast service. I have ordered about $250 worth of various springs, a new trigger, some mags etc. Until I can get my hands on some legal 10rd mags I will just play with the 5/30 rd mag it comes with. My intentions are to use the gun in local 2 Gun matches along with my Ruger PCC. The latter is nice but it is heavy and I now sport two artificial shoulders so light weight is an important factor. The Evo is all over being light.
I agree with you the Evo has proven itself in the Real World experience. The Czech Army has a solid reputation and the Evo sits in their inventory. The Evo has a number of attributes aside from being dead nuts reliable and accurate. In Canada it is a NR carbine. I may not always live near a range as accommodating as the one here in Terrace but will never be far from open crown land. Too, the gun is, along with the CX4 Storm the easiest of carbines to disassemble for cleaning and maintenance. Mags are dirt cheap. I have found some for half the price of Glock mags.
To the OP since this will be your first purchase, write down what exactly you are going to use your carbine for. If you will only use it at a gun range then the restricted vs non restricted should not drive your decision. Glock mags are a bonus but don't limit yourself. Reliability should be top of mind. From your strict criteria you really have two choices IMHO.
Glock Mags NR
Ruger PCC
Keltec Sub 2000 Gen 2
Proprietory Mags
CX4 Storm NR or Restricted Beretta 92 Mags
CZ Evo 3 Carbine 18.5" barrel NR
CZ Evo 3 (Short Barreled Restricted
To the OP:
I own all three iterations. The Sub 2K Gen 2 and the Storm have been dead nuts reliable. The Evo 3 my friend has has not missed a beat with a couple of thousand rounds down range. The one I am getting will be to.
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Bob
OK just an update. I sold ny Sub2K to a friend wh will get more use out of it then I will. I bought it for a truck gun application and for camping etc. Assessed my future and realistically my camping days are done, so to long hiking so it is off to a new home today. Gun was as accurate as I can shoot,never choked on a round, well made and a fun shooter. No regrets in buying one and likely will miss it.
My Scorpian Carbine is waiting for parts from the US. The trigger really needs a spring kit. All the rest of do dads, with the exception of the new right hand safety, are really cosmetic. I am totally impressed with the guns accuracy, build quality, and reliability. My shoulder is really coming along so next week the gun is going to get a good work out. I put a Crossfire2 red dot on it and it is ready to go. Range is closed soI have my eye on a couple of gravel pits in the area. If this gun works our I may pick up a pistol version.
Does anyone know who might have the Sierra Papa trigger kits for the CX4 Storm? I can get them out of the US but would support local retailer if the price is realistic.
Take Care
Bob
My Scorpian Carbine is waiting for parts from the US. The trigger really needs a spring kit. All the rest of do dads, with the exception of the new right hand safety, are really cosmetic. I am totally impressed with the guns accuracy, build quality, and reliability. My shoulder is really coming along so next week the gun is going to get a good work out. I put a Crossfire2 red dot on it and it is ready to go. Range is closed soI have my eye on a couple of gravel pits in the area. If this gun works our I may pick up a pistol version.
Does anyone know who might have the Sierra Papa trigger kits for the CX4 Storm? I can get them out of the US but would support local retailer if the price is realistic.
Take Care
Bob
