Because of all the nonsense surrounding ARs, I was looking to get a pump action to try and scratch that itch. To my knowledge there is the Taipan, PND, and Troy PAR on the market. And the Lockhart conspiracy supposedly in development. Which do you think is the best option? I was leaning towards the new Taipan EVO due to its improved bolt hold open, ability to swap triggers, the option of both side charge and pump, and that you can swap out the strange thumbhole stock. I don't like the polymer lower or the lack of an action lock (similar to a shotgun). Would you guys recommend something else? Is there any reason to go side charge only like the Renegade? I've never had any experience with Crusader and we're all aware of their reputation, any reason to instead go with the backland hunter elite (supposing that the issues have actually been worked out)? Or do you think the chimera/alcor is the way to go with a furniture swap?
Best pump action rifle, any reccomendations?
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That itch you want to scratch could be a waste of money - I would check what your itching to get, to see if they are banned "or" going to get banned because if it looks scary to a Karen it will get banned. Yes a shotgun is a "firearm"
- Ongoing Restrictions: The government continues to add "assault-style" firearms to the prohibited list, with updates occurring as recently as March 2025.
^What ivobb noted has had a couple chilling effects... And it's all by design...
It's throttled the purchasing of new firearms... And...
It's crushed the firearms industry in Canada. Manufacturers are leaving, sporting goods stores are closing and ranges will follow.
It's throttled the purchasing of new firearms... And...
It's crushed the firearms industry in Canada. Manufacturers are leaving, sporting goods stores are closing and ranges will follow.
I think the Taipan Evo is probably the best bet if it has to be a pump. AR triggers put it above the competition for me. I do wonder if in time there will be better options but maybe not (hard for any manufacturer to have the motivation to bring anything to market in Canada these days with how the gun industry has been decimated under our Liberal overlords).
The Crusader Arms Backland is the one remaining semi I would look at and they have just released a revised model with some of the early bugs addressed and adjustable stock (although I actually prefer the traditional non fixed stock). But, being a semi it would attract more attention from the gun grabbing rats so if you are not comfortable with that then it may not be for you.
1riot1ranger
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I’m seriously considering the SCSA Taipan Evo. I really hope that it can accept AR triggers. I happen to have a Geissele trigger that’s not getting any use these days. The reviews I’ve seen on the Evo were critical of the trigger. It’d be nice to get that into the sub-3lb range.
Here’s a question… Now that only manual action rifles are left, can we use standard capacity magazines with them? Or are we still being capped to 5/10 rounds because of magazine “design”?
Here’s a question… Now that only manual action rifles are left, can we use standard capacity magazines with them? Or are we still being capped to 5/10 rounds because of magazine “design”?
You would still be looking at pinned 5 rounders (or 10 round max LAR pistol type mags) owing to the interchangeability of STANAG mags with semi autos (the few that are left out there).
In a perfect world these would use full capacity proprietary magazines that can only be used in manual action firearms but that would take effort and thanks to Team Elbows there is no appetite.
billbmcleod
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It won't be new or state of the art and considered junk by all the up to date crowd but a good used 760/7600 Remington should scratch your itch. I have seen lots of them on deer and moose hunts in 30-06 and .308 and they always seemed to work well, rain snow or shine, And most had wood furniture so they even looked good in the days before plastics.
This is rhetorical, right?
Mag capacity is determined by what the mag is designed to be used in. That means all STANAG mags will forever and always be limited to 5 rounds. Design a new gun and new mag that only fits it and you can have unlimited capacity, but not before. And then the feds will probably ban it anyways...
Mark
1riot1ranger
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Well.. Kinda rhetorical. Kinda wishful thinking?
I checked the actual text of the Firearms Act, and I withdraw my question. Because magazine limits reference the design of "prohibited firearms," we're pooched. Even if we can't own a prohibited firearm, the magazine limits still apply to them.
Just looking for a bright light in this otherwise ####ty mess...
I understand that. History says there will be very few bright lights from government interference in your life, unless it's incredibly accidental and then only until they can pass legislation to close that ray of light down.
New guns and new mags are the answer you seek, but no one is excited about spending the time and money with a malevolent government in power, as many others have noted.
Mark
And 10 round Mambamag magazines are legal.
All this in a Non Restricted carbine you can shoot anywhere ie. Not restricted to shooting at certifued gun ranges.
Yes at least a few. 1) the foreend is uninterfered with, so the user can stance or add accessories as they wish. 2) less risk of accidentally opening battery - e.g. on barricade, or on user error. 3) the superior manual action choice for bench or prone. Also remember a side charge can be modified - e.g. either side, both sides, extended forwards, extended backwards - get creative.
I do enjoy the Renegade, it is well made, Canadian, has good part interchangeability and I can consistently shoot a 2MOA group with bulk PMC 55gr. Rapid off hand shooting is a bit janky - but it's trainable to ten shots in 15 seconds with a widening group.
May I suggest adding the Henry Supreme to your shortlist. If wanting to run fast a lever is probably the best fit of the manual options? If you like modern check out the Midwest Industries kits, RDSC has some prebuilt with shorter barrels for around $3k. GL.
So...I have a Taipan X (Evo is not out in Canada yet as far as I can tell)and I will say a few things with regards to the X...
1. With the exception of the cross-bolt "latch" at present, the rest of the gun is pretty good, feel-wise. Safety selector, mag release all have AR type of controls.
2. The pump is more of a novelty - for my body/frame, the pump mechanism seems a bit far for me so I have to unnaturally stretch to get at it.
3. After a while, it seems like the rifle's weight starts affecting my hold.
4. When #3 happens and I start on a bench and use a rest, the pump mechanism can interfere with the rest if it is too close to it. I actually am considering removing the pump plates, so it is straight pull from the charging handle only since I can't shorten my distance to the pump mechanism.
5. Not having a lock on the pump is annoying. Inadvertent (albeit) movements in grabbing the pump occasionally take the gun out of battery. I wish it would just lock in place and unlock on firing or manual latch / release operation.
6. PMAG Gen 2s mags would not seat properly without shaving some bits off one part of the spine (it's in another thread and a CGNer found the solution and it works great).
7. Need tools to take it apart (2-3 different sizes). Not too difficult but can be time consuming.
For a range gun, those quirks may be acceptable. For anyone contemplating this as a reliable HD gun, keep looking...
I did write a blurb on my experience with the Taipan X. Initially I had feeding issues but with use, and lube, those have more or less gone by the wayside.
As for MRA Renegade - I sold mine years ago - just did not like the straight pull operation, but back then I had semi-autos to use - I may consider rebuying an MK2, but not at current prices ($1500) though the Taipan X is not that far behind.
Absolutely will get an Evo, but I haven't heard anything definitive when they will be coming into Canada.
1. With the exception of the cross-bolt "latch" at present, the rest of the gun is pretty good, feel-wise. Safety selector, mag release all have AR type of controls.
2. The pump is more of a novelty - for my body/frame, the pump mechanism seems a bit far for me so I have to unnaturally stretch to get at it.
3. After a while, it seems like the rifle's weight starts affecting my hold.
4. When #3 happens and I start on a bench and use a rest, the pump mechanism can interfere with the rest if it is too close to it. I actually am considering removing the pump plates, so it is straight pull from the charging handle only since I can't shorten my distance to the pump mechanism.
5. Not having a lock on the pump is annoying. Inadvertent (albeit) movements in grabbing the pump occasionally take the gun out of battery. I wish it would just lock in place and unlock on firing or manual latch / release operation.
6. PMAG Gen 2s mags would not seat properly without shaving some bits off one part of the spine (it's in another thread and a CGNer found the solution and it works great).
7. Need tools to take it apart (2-3 different sizes). Not too difficult but can be time consuming.
For a range gun, those quirks may be acceptable. For anyone contemplating this as a reliable HD gun, keep looking...
I did write a blurb on my experience with the Taipan X. Initially I had feeding issues but with use, and lube, those have more or less gone by the wayside.
As for MRA Renegade - I sold mine years ago - just did not like the straight pull operation, but back then I had semi-autos to use - I may consider rebuying an MK2, but not at current prices ($1500) though the Taipan X is not that far behind.
Absolutely will get an Evo, but I haven't heard anything definitive when they will be coming into Canada.
Agreed, but I never in a million years thought my Mini-14 ranch rifle would ever be on a ban list, but here we are. Sadly, the only thing I can say with confidence is that we can never be sure any gun is safe....with this government in place...
