Best pump shotgun???

ryanloco said:
I was looking at the Winchester 1300 and the Remmy 870.... Settled on the Remmy and bought a Norinco HP9 :D. It's an 870 knock off.
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You said it yourself. Its a KNOCK OFF. You did not buy a Remington, you bought a KNOCK OFF. Have fun with it... You could have spent the same money and got the real deal, or something better for less like a Mossberg.

TDC
 
I think that it is a sad state in this country and the U.S.A. when we do not recognize the difference between economically priced and cheap ####. The Canadian made Cooey single shot, shotguns and .22’s were economically priced but were made to last. Some are still going strong after decades. Same for the no frill Savage, Winchester, Mossberg and Remington’s just to mention a few. Many modern day Savages are reasonably priced and compete head to head quality wise with more expensive firearms. I can not say the same for some of the cheap #### and knock offs that are at best disguised as economical. In spite of their proven track record of crapping out on a regular basis and being made of inferior material some claim that their lower price justifies them, especially if every once in a while some one has one and it is still around after a couple years of easy use. Norinco!:puke: It must be a commie plot to flood the free world with this inferior ####! Norinco!:puke:

I feel the need to apologize to #### everywhere for my associating it with Norinco.:puke: Even #### has a use once it is been crapped out.:evil:
 
Nothing takes the place of doing your own research (not to be confused with simply listening to the opinions of others) and actually shouldering a sample or two and working their actions.
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100% agree... all these forums should be used only as is a guide to consider different alternatives. Do your own research so you can make an informed decision. If you can find a place to demo some shotguns, all the better! I was able to try the Winchester and Remmy's from people that we hunt with.


You said it yourself. Its a KNOCK OFF. You did not buy a Remington, you bought a KNOCK OFF. Have fun with it... You could have spent the same money and got the real deal, or something better for less like a Mossberg.
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TDC... How do you know how much I paid for my Rinco?:D For what it's worth - I picked it up from an auction. It was brand new, sealed in a box and was a steal (with the rifled barrel) for the money I paid compared to a brand new Remmy 870. At the time I didn't know about CGN - otherwise I probably would have bought a used 870 from the EE.

My understanding is that the Chinese waited for the 870 patent to expire and then they cloned it/knocked it off as the HP9. For the money paid, it has been a great reliable shotgun.

And when all is said and done - the deer and geese that I have shot with it haven't seem to have been able to tell the difference between the Norinco and the real deal :D
 
In spite of their proven track record of crapping out on a regular basis and being made of inferior material some claim that their lower price justifies them,
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Search this forum, search the net. I bet you'll find as many pro opinions on the Norinco's as you claim there are cons.. Read some of the M305 threads, read some of the 1911 threads on how those "clones" have performed.

especially if every once in a while some one has one and it is still around after a couple years of easy use.
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Define easy use... if deer hunting, waterfowl, upland, and skeet make for easy use, then yes consider my Norinco "babied" and as such is the outlier in your argument.


Norinco! It must be a commie plot to flood the free world with this inferior s**t! Norinco!
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This comment tells me more about you than it does about Norinco....
 
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ryanloco said:
Define easy use... if deer hunting, waterfowl, upland, and skeet make for easy use, then yes consider my Norinco "babied" and as such is the outlier in your argument.
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The fact is that the Norinco has only been around for a very short while and has not had a chance to prove it is here to last, however it has been plagued with many many quality control issues. As far as searching the net? I do not have to! I have seen more than enough complaints on CGN and I have seen these worthless peices of #### up close! You yourself said it was a knock off! You yourself said that if you would have know about CGN EE you might have bought a used 870. It tells me that your only basis for your recomendation is that you have one and that it has not broken yet. and that tell me a lot about you!
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You yourself said it was a knock off! You yourself said that if you would have know about CGN EE you might have bought a used 870.
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You're 100% correct that I probably would have bought a used Remmy from the EE, because at the time a new brand new one was out of my price range. Going into the auction the reviews on the Norinco were few and far between to find, but after handling the HP9 I decided if the bidding was in my price range I would place a bid. I was sceptical at first, but going on my 5th season, knock on wood, I have no issues and I think it would/should be an alternative to consider vs. a used Remmy 870 or for someone looking to start out. I'm suprised that I've kept mine this long to be honest, but you know what they say.. if it aint broke... :D

The shotgun is a knock off/clone of the 870. The Chinese took a great design from a patent that expired and reproduced it. I have friends that have 870's and we've put them side by side to compare, and I have to say my HP9 stacks up well.


So, am I telling theragingbear to go and buy one, no.... BUT I would recomend that he/she consider an HP9 as an option.

It tells me that your only basis for your recomendation is that you have one and that it has not broken yet. and that tell me a lot about you
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What it really tells you about me..... is simply that I've had great success with a Norinco for 4 years, not 1 problem..... :cool:

What you assume is that my Norinco is just waiting to break.... and you know what they say about people who assume! - and that kind of gives me an idea about you....
 
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ryanloco said:
100% agree... all these forums should be used only as is a guide to consider different alternatives. Do your own research so you can make an informed decision. If you can find a place to demo some shotguns, all the better! I was able to try the Winchester and Remmy's from people that we hunt with.




TDC... How do you know how much I paid for my Rinco?:D For what it's worth - I picked it up from an auction. It was brand new, sealed in a box and was a steal (with the rifled barrel) for the money I paid compared to a brand new Remmy 870. At the time I didn't know about CGN - otherwise I probably would have bought a used 870 from the EE.

My understanding is that the Chinese waited for the 870 patent to expire and then they cloned it/knocked it off as the HP9. For the money paid, it has been a great reliable shotgun.

And when all is said and done - the deer and geese that I have shot with it haven't seem to have been able to tell the difference between the Norinco and the real deal :D
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Fair enough. If you got a good deal then run with it. Just don't complain when it fails.

ETA: On another note. This constant bantering of "its out of my price range"(this goes for all forums, not just here) is simply a cover up for those who either A: Don't wish to invest as much time or money as a serious shooter would. B: Don't know, or don't care about quality products, or C: Don't have the discipline to save their money until they can afford quality. Then again, if someone were to save their money in order to buy a more costly piece of equipment they most likely would not be any of the three listed above.

Buying quality means you appreciate and understand quality. That negates class B. By saving money one has the discipline to wait until they can afford the purchase. This would negate class C. Finally, most who spend good sums of money on good gear regardless of whether or not they had to save for it or not. Are usually the more serious shooters in the sport. This negates class A.

TDC
 
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TDC.

Agreed with your points.

I picked the Rinco up while I was paying tuition/school. I had a budget and the new Norinco fit the bill vs. used Remmy..

I'd love to buy a Ferrari, but sometimes you can only afford the Honda...

Comment made previously re: Savage rifles - being well priced vs. performance. I agree 100% and love the Savage line-up. I could only wish that they would produce a pump action shotty :D My Rinco would be sold and replaced asap. I like their bolt action 12ga. but I'm not sold on it over the pump as an all round versatile option.
 
I'll throw my 2cents in for my mossberg camo turkey tatical (535) 20" barrel chambered for 2 2/3 to 3 1/2 shells. I think it was 450 new, as far as I'm conserned it shoots as good as my old 870.
 
Covey Ridge said:
I think that it is a sad state in this country and the U.S.A. when we do not recognize the difference between economically priced and cheap s**t. The Canadian made Cooey single shot, shotguns and .22’s were economically priced but were made to last. Some are still going strong after decades. Same for the no frill Savage, Winchester, Mossberg and Remington’s just to mention a few. Many modern day Savages are reasonably priced and compete head to head quality wise with more expensive firearms. I can not say the same for some of the cheap s**t and knock offs that are at best disguised as economical. In spite of their proven track record of crapping out on a regular basis and being made of inferior material some claim that their lower price justifies them, especially if every once in a while some one has one and it is still around after a couple years of easy use. Norinco!:puke: It must be a commie plot to flood the free world with this inferior s**t! Norinco!:puke:

I feel the need to apologize to s**t everywhere for my associating it with Norinco.:puke: Even s**t has a use once it is been crapped out.:evil:
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Would you mind cutting down on the puke icons. I'm feeling a little woosie.
 
I admit I have no experience with other makes of pump guns, so I can not compare, but I have only good things to say about my 870. No complaints at all.
 
I think this topic has gone way south.
No one has really answered his questions.

He wants


theragingbear said:
I want reliability.....
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theragingbear said:
...3.5 inch shell capability.....
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theragingbear said:
....a smooth and polish finish for the barrel because i d'ont want put to much oil on it every time i'll use it.....
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theragingbear said:
....have a nice looking barrel....
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People are arguing reliability to death. What about which shotgun has the best looking barrel?
Which barrel is the smooth and shiney and dosen't need oil?
 
Covey Ridge said:
what do you mean by speed pump?
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When you pull the triger affter the shot goes off with your finger still on it the "recoil" push back the pump for you only have to push it back to front...with the remmy it still lock .In other words shot it ... and the empty shell will exit by itself :runaway:
Edit : only work with duck load
 
Smoktire

Thanks for the explanation. Now I know what you are talking about. As a safety feature the 870 is designed to not open the action upon the mechanical pull of the trigger with backward pressure on the for end. The 870 requires a slight forward motion to unlock the action so the for end slide can be pulled back. Recoil usually takes care of the required forward motion and the slide can be pulled back. I think that this is a safety feature exclusive to the 870? In any event I have just tested all my 870s and BPS shotguns. Dry firing with pressure back on the fore stock will not open the 870, but immediately releases the BPS. I do not have a 1300 to test and since I have a distain about going anywhere near an N gun, I will not know if it has copied this feature from the 870.
 
Covey ridge,

The Winchester 1300 does not require the same forward motion prior to unlocking the action. You can keep pressure on the pump while firing and it will unlock immediately after firing and permit you to pump the gun.

TDC
 
i owned 2 rem 870's a wingmaster and a express wasnt very happy i now have a Browning bps and a winchester model 1300 and a browning uplander in 20 guage and i will never look back at any of the remingtons or mossbergs that i owned so i would say winchester 1300 if you can find one and browning bps far superior to remington these days not all that happy with remington latley
 
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