"best" version of the .338?
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So a CF sniper instructor is clueless? He uses these in the real world. He has tried pretty much every platform available. He trains people to shoot long distance. He puts more rounds through a rifle in a week than most of us do in a year. You're right, he's clueless.
Ok, you've convinced me, my DTA is junk and I'm gonna sell it and buy a Timberwolf.
Ya, right.
You've said nothing, maybe your pal Ross has something of value to say.
My opinion is mine and I don't care what you think is the best. As long as you're happy with your timberwolf then that's just great. It isn't for me though and nothing you say is going to convince me. Oh ya, you haven't actually said anything about it or why it's better. You just throw insults and say nothing of value. "it's the greatest, tell him Ross"
How about we get back on track in this thread or let a mod close it?
Back on track, as I said before, standard 338 Lapua is good enough for me. I agree with Rick that the AI is probably a better cartridge in terms of performance and case life but I don't shoot far enough or often enough to need that. Maybe when I shoot out the barrel of my DTA I'll get one built for it with an AI chamber.
blackacres
Regular
- Location
- Mount Hope, Ontario
To the OP, what .338 cartridge you go with is dependant on many things: your budget, skill level, expectations, ability to reload and develope/refine reload combinations and needs.
"Heated" discussions over what 'wildcat' version of a .338 cartridge may not be nessecary if you are on a limited budget, are not attempting to compete agressively, or don't have the tools and knowledge to develope the ideal 'wildcat' load.
I have recently entered the long range game.
As I am on a 'limited' budget, I elected to stay with a standard .338LM cartridge. For now, I elected to go with a..............Savage 110 FCP HS with a Sightron SIII 8-32X56 scope on a 20 moa Farrel rail, along with a Rifle Basix trigger to enter this game.
I feel the quality Lapua brass is relatively easy to aquire, load data is abundant. And to be honest, most quality rifles with good optics fed with 'developed' reloads, will out shoot most of us!
If I feel I have reached a level where the Savage is limiting me (which may be a long way away), first I will rebarrel to a match grade barrel, if that does not meet my needs, which I doubt, if I have the $$$$ I may get Shawn at North Shore, or Ross at PGW to build me a nice rifle, but I will stay with .338LM for the above reasons. I don't think I will ever require a 'wildcat' round, which requires custom brass, limited load developement, etc.
That's my 0.2 cents.
However, as I read this thread, the thought that came to mind was "can't we just get along", keep the "BS" out of our exchange and as Joe Friday said "just the facts, just the facts"!
Merry Christmas to all of my fellow CGN's.
Cheers,
blackacres
"Heated" discussions over what 'wildcat' version of a .338 cartridge may not be nessecary if you are on a limited budget, are not attempting to compete agressively, or don't have the tools and knowledge to develope the ideal 'wildcat' load.
I have recently entered the long range game.
As I am on a 'limited' budget, I elected to stay with a standard .338LM cartridge. For now, I elected to go with a..............Savage 110 FCP HS with a Sightron SIII 8-32X56 scope on a 20 moa Farrel rail, along with a Rifle Basix trigger to enter this game.
I feel the quality Lapua brass is relatively easy to aquire, load data is abundant. And to be honest, most quality rifles with good optics fed with 'developed' reloads, will out shoot most of us!
If I feel I have reached a level where the Savage is limiting me (which may be a long way away), first I will rebarrel to a match grade barrel, if that does not meet my needs, which I doubt, if I have the $$$$ I may get Shawn at North Shore, or Ross at PGW to build me a nice rifle, but I will stay with .338LM for the above reasons. I don't think I will ever require a 'wildcat' round, which requires custom brass, limited load developement, etc.
That's my 0.2 cents.
However, as I read this thread, the thought that came to mind was "can't we just get along", keep the "BS" out of our exchange and as Joe Friday said "just the facts, just the facts"!
Merry Christmas to all of my fellow CGN's.
Cheers,
blackacres
So a CF sniper instructor is clueless? He uses these in the real world. He has tried pretty much every platform available. He trains people to shoot long distance. He puts more rounds through a rifle in a week than most of us do in a year. You're right, he's clueless.
Ok, you've convinced me, my DTA is junk and I'm gonna sell it and buy a Timberwolf.
Ya, right.
You've said nothing, maybe your pal Ross has something of value to say.
My opinion is mine and I don't care what you think is the best. As long as you're happy with your timberwolf then that's just great. It isn't for me though and nothing you say is going to convince me. Oh ya, you haven't actually said anything about it or why it's better. You just throw insults and say nothing of value. "it's the greatest, tell him Ross"
How about we get back on track in this thread
or let a mod close it?
Back on track, as I said before, standard 338 Lapua is good enough for me. I agree with Rick that the AI is probably a better cartridge in terms of performance and case life but I don't shoot far enough or often enough to need that. Maybe when I shoot out the barrel of my DTA I'll get one built for it with an AI chamber.
I should have been more clear! "clueless of the situation" Your buddy I am sure is very good at what he does! That does not make him a gunsmith!
Never said your DTA is junk! Not trying to convince you to buy a Timberwolf! You are putting words in my mouth.
You add nothing of value just misinformation.
Just to be clear cr5 I am also a CF sniper. Have been for 3 years. No CF sniper shoots "more in one one week than most do in a year" The Army is so broke that snipers resort to buying their own rifles and gear so we can train ourselves...on our own time. Secondly, the version of the T wolf that the military uses and the version Ross sells to civilians are not even CLOSE to be the same. The civilian version is a million times better than what the army ordered for us. That's just the way it goes. It's still an amazing piece of kit that I'm thankful we have. I too have heard the rumors about weird things going on with the T Wolf. No one has ever produced a shred of evidence. It's just rumors. Now here's the best part! 30 of some of the best sniper teams in the world show up to CISC every year. Wanna take a guess which rifle the top ten teams were using this year?
First of all, thank you for your service.
Second, none of what you or DG are talking about has anything to do with what the OP asked in original post. Rick and whats his name from PGW started arguing and I tried to get them to take it elsewhere and DG started arguing with me about... well I'm still not really sure what his point is other than he is a T-wolf fanboy and I said I like my DTA better.
Thirdly my buddy isn't just a sniper, he trains them (you would probably know him if I told you his name) so he shoots more than the average soldier, and last time I talked with him he was doing HALO drills somewhere warm.
He has also told me how under-equipped you guys are, which is a real shame.
I don't care which rifle anyone thinks is best, that isn't what this thread is about. I stated my opinion that I happen to agree with Rick that the AI is probably superior to the standard 338L but that I don't personally feel that my shooting requires any more than what the standard 338L offers.
These are opinions from everyone that has contributed to the thread, no one needs to argue about anything or try to correct someone else just because their opinion is different.
The whole point is for the OP to read what many people think and make his own decision based on what decides fits his requirements to end up with what he wants to get out of what he buys or builds.
Second, none of what you or DG are talking about has anything to do with what the OP asked in original post. Rick and whats his name from PGW started arguing and I tried to get them to take it elsewhere and DG started arguing with me about... well I'm still not really sure what his point is other than he is a T-wolf fanboy and I said I like my DTA better.
Thirdly my buddy isn't just a sniper, he trains them (you would probably know him if I told you his name) so he shoots more than the average soldier, and last time I talked with him he was doing HALO drills somewhere warm.
He has also told me how under-equipped you guys are, which is a real shame.
I don't care which rifle anyone thinks is best, that isn't what this thread is about. I stated my opinion that I happen to agree with Rick that the AI is probably superior to the standard 338L but that I don't personally feel that my shooting requires any more than what the standard 338L offers.
These are opinions from everyone that has contributed to the thread, no one needs to argue about anything or try to correct someone else just because their opinion is different.
The whole point is for the OP to read what many people think and make his own decision based on what decides fits his requirements to end up with what he wants to get out of what he buys or builds.
Shooter1of38
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Your making yourself look silly with this gem! I guess quality product is absolutely perfect 100% of the time! LOL!
DTA had customer service issues and quality control issues they worked them out eventually. If I had extra coin for more rifles I would buy a DTA! Again you put words in my mouth! I never said they were junk.
ah chit I wont even try! "drilled"
I always post when I disagree with Rick...I still disagree that suggesting to folks utilizing 338 cases over 43x is a good idea...I also disagree that 338 improved cartridge adds anything but "potential" in most cases and have noted that as well...
Also, since DTA has gotten thrown in here I will say that I have known Nicholas Young for YEARS and consider him a fine businessman, a superb innovator and an all around good guy and freind...oddly enough I can talk with him anytime about firearms without arguing about anything...
Also, since DTA has gotten thrown in here I will say that I have known Nicholas Young for YEARS and consider him a fine businessman, a superb innovator and an all around good guy and freind...oddly enough I can talk with him anytime about firearms without arguing about anything...
The story of the C14 and how it came to be, what it became, who did what to it in the interim and what it is to become in the future is a story that both space, decorum and various security issues will not allow to be told except for to say that any SME that deals with DND faces the same set of challenges and those challenges are profound. Some here understand that however most don't and as a firm that has undertaken numerous Military contracts from virtually every part of the world with almost all of them involving "FORMAL" testing protocol for accuracy, reliability, workmanship and environmentals we know what our systems do, what items are prone to needing more maintenance than others, what the accuracy is under various testing protocols and we have all of this documented and no you cannot see it....
Now back on topic, my considered opinion as an expert on long range 338 rifle systems is that the 338 Lapua in it's standard version remains the best combination of performance, convenience and ease of use....The OP could take this advice for what it is (which is the most qualified opinion here) and order a Timberwolf, buy a Savage, get an ATR custom or a DTA...I am sure all of these will serve his needs well and we wish him both luck and a fabulous Christmas along with all of those that have participated in this thread
Now back on topic, my considered opinion as an expert on long range 338 rifle systems is that the 338 Lapua in it's standard version remains the best combination of performance, convenience and ease of use....The OP could take this advice for what it is (which is the most qualified opinion here) and order a Timberwolf, buy a Savage, get an ATR custom or a DTA...I am sure all of these will serve his needs well and we wish him both luck and a fabulous Christmas along with all of those that have participated in this thread
The story of the C14 and how it came to be, what it became, who did what to it in the interim and what it is to become in the future is a story that both space, decorum and various security issues will not allow to be told except for to say that any SME that deals with DND faces the same set of challenges and those challenges are profound. Some here understand that however most don't and as a firm that has undertaken numerous Military contracts from virtually every part of the world with almost all of them involving "FORMAL" testing protocol for accuracy, reliability, workmanship and environmentals we know what our systems do, what items are prone to needing more maintenance than others, what the accuracy is under various testing protocols and we have all of this documented and no you cannot see it....
Now back on topic, my considered opinion as an expert on long range 338 rifle systems is that the 338 Lapua in it's standard version remains the best combination of performance, convenience and ease of use....The OP could take this advice for what it is (which is the most qualified opinion here) and order a Timberwolf, buy a Savage, get an ATR custom or a DTA...I am sure all of these will serve his needs well and we wish him both luck and a fabulous Christmas along with all of those that have participated in this thread
Awwww Merrry Christmas to you too Ross!
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island
My advice as someone who has travelled to a number of international competitions.
If you can't buy factory ammo, or beg/borrow from another team you are going to get screwed, by an airline, the supply system, or your own support staff (which can include you if you rolled your own).
With .308win and .338LM I can pick up the phone and have match ammo in my hands this afternoon or tomorrow morning at the latest. That is worth more than a little brass life or a couple FPS, well to me it is.
If you can't buy factory ammo, or beg/borrow from another team you are going to get screwed, by an airline, the supply system, or your own support staff (which can include you if you rolled your own).
With .308win and .338LM I can pick up the phone and have match ammo in my hands this afternoon or tomorrow morning at the latest. That is worth more than a little brass life or a couple FPS, well to me it is.
You better bring some chicken soup err I mean Taco soup over to Juan he sounded awful or better yet take him to the doctors
