Best walking gun in .223/5.56?
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Have we found out about the 5.56/Steyr Scout situation ? That would have been my suggestion.
Short of that, a 180b, with a few modifications, would be a good choice as well. Not sure how light the XCR or Tavor are but they would also make interesting possibilities.
I would have recommended a PE-90 but I would not want to lug mine around all day unless I had nice flat terrain and a decent sling.
EDIT: Did some searching on the Scout/5.56 - I added some informative links on the other thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158869
Short of that, a 180b, with a few modifications, would be a good choice as well. Not sure how light the XCR or Tavor are but they would also make interesting possibilities.
I would have recommended a PE-90 but I would not want to lug mine around all day unless I had nice flat terrain and a decent sling.
EDIT: Did some searching on the Scout/5.56 - I added some informative links on the other thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158869
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"...both 5.56 /.223..." They're the same thing despite all the nonsense you see on the Interrnet.
Like SuperCub says, bolt, semi or single shot? How much money do you want to spend? Where you are has some to do with the choice too.
Like SuperCub says, bolt, semi or single shot? How much money do you want to spend? Where you are has some to do with the choice too.
Ceska said:
Federal American Eagle. The box is marked 223, the ammo is marked NATO Lake City. It's EXACTLY the same stuff that the military uses. Sold on the civvy market as 223. But to look at the actual markings on the cartridge, it is indeed military spec using the vaunted 'thicker' military brass - which, incidentally I've found is a myth. Brass from different manufacturers weighs different. Some civvy brass is heavier tham some NATO stuff, and vice versa. Don't believe me? Weigh it yourself and find the *truth* instead of regurgitating something you heard on the Internet.
Aside from a few legal differences in the methodologies in how the cartridges are measured, they are in fact the same damn stuff. Despite the hair splitters on the Internet arguing about trivial differences that exist only on paper in a lawyer's office.
And NATO primers are crimped and sealed for two reasons: more durable ammo (water proof/resistant), and better function in semi-automatic rifles and MG's in the field where headspace may not be totally up to spec (to prevent primer back out causing jams)
Anyway, I've long been tossing around the idea of a field .223. I've come to the conclusion that it'll either be a tikka t3 (hunter: walnut/blued. None of that crass synth/ss for me, I have taste
) or a stevens 200/savage. Both are light, accurate, and have a fast twist (which I've come to appreciate in a varmint gun. And it provides the option of using heavier bullets for longer range stuff)
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The cases are the same, the pressure is not. SAAMI spec is lower than mil-spec. Is it an issue? Not really. I would have no hesitation shooting 5.56 in any 223 gun.
The demand is so high for 5.56 that there is no time to retool the machines. They just run 5.56 cases.
If you have ever run 5.56 pressure without crimped primers in an AR you will see dropped primers. Norinco had this problem with their "hot" 223 AKA M193 ball without crimped primers.
One other thing is that NATO spec and mil-spec are not the same. NATO STANAG basically just means the ammo is compatible with all of NATO's guns. So France can use US ammo, etc. But the actual specs are all over the place between countries.
The demand is so high for 5.56 that there is no time to retool the machines. They just run 5.56 cases.
If you have ever run 5.56 pressure without crimped primers in an AR you will see dropped primers. Norinco had this problem with their "hot" 223 AKA M193 ball without crimped primers.
One other thing is that NATO spec and mil-spec are not the same. NATO STANAG basically just means the ammo is compatible with all of NATO's guns. So France can use US ammo, etc. But the actual specs are all over the place between countries.
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Maybe I will grossly 'defy' the odds and proceed at my own peril.....Oh my....Would I dare load a 30 round magazine at random with 223/556 and live to tell....Would the earth suddenly tilt off its axis !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
jennis said:
I have done it many times. I loaded Russian steal cased, chinese, american and Serbian into one mag just the other day to function test the Tavor. The Russian stuff smells like ammonia and hurts my nose, other than that all was fine. I am still here to tell the tale.
