Big Black Bear
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Brutus
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I guess we all go through learning curves as hunters.
I fell into the trap of gadgetry once when I took up bow hunting in Saskatchewan, and a whitetail deer paid the price.
( Ran of with a single lung hit!!)
I was very ashamed and promised to address this issue to the greatest extant of my abilities.
I stayed away from all the "local experts" on archery, who had a vested interest in peddling untested junk to the ill-informed masses.
Instead I found some really good archery magazines and read my way away from the junk I bought.
In fall of 2002, I took a deer cleanly, WITH equipment I chose!
Lesson learned.....
I fell into the trap of gadgetry once when I took up bow hunting in Saskatchewan, and a whitetail deer paid the price.
( Ran of with a single lung hit!!)
I was very ashamed and promised to address this issue to the greatest extant of my abilities.
I stayed away from all the "local experts" on archery, who had a vested interest in peddling untested junk to the ill-informed masses.
Instead I found some really good archery magazines and read my way away from the junk I bought.
In fall of 2002, I took a deer cleanly, WITH equipment I chose!
Lesson learned.....
I have mixed feelings about baiting animals. That's not really hunting, it's luring and shooting from the safety of your trailer, or cabin, or what have you.
Also, if you're going to take an animal, do it with a reliable tool. I have a few friends who hunt with bows and more often then not, they just wound the animals, especially when they use recurves.
Not to pick on you, just telling you how your post makes me feel. Nice looking bear though. Give him a fair fighting chance and uf you (your friend)take him down, do it fast and painless. Use a good rifle, not a sharpened stick that might or might not kill it.
Also, if you're going to take an animal, do it with a reliable tool. I have a few friends who hunt with bows and more often then not, they just wound the animals, especially when they use recurves.
Not to pick on you, just telling you how your post makes me feel. Nice looking bear though. Give him a fair fighting chance and uf you (your friend)take him down, do it fast and painless. Use a good rifle, not a sharpened stick that might or might not kill it.
Brutus
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Declan, if you re-read my post, you will see that I did not give up on archery. I did however use better gear, and practiced with it for about 3 months prior to the archery season. After this period of time with good gear, I was successful.
This included shooting at foam targets at 10, 25 and 35 yards.
Once mastered clearing shooting lanes from the tree stand, practice shooting from various positions from the tree stand, setting up marker tape at 10 20 and 30 yards.
Then during hunting season, waiting in silence for a total of 7 days, while passing up about 200 deer, and yes about 200 deer before I pulled the pin on one and cleanly took it at 27 yards. Double lung and heart hit, I waited 20 minutes after the shot, left stand and found deer after a very short trail of exactly 40 yards and 30 feet, with an obvious blood trail a child could follow.
Some people should never take up archery cause they think they still have a 7mm Magnum in thier hands, not my fault.
And thats how you are supposed to archery hunt deer via me.....
PS Excuse my tone, but I learned from my mistakes, thats how a person grows as a hunter.
Did or do your archery friends do that at least?
The habitual wounders I suspect not......
This included shooting at foam targets at 10, 25 and 35 yards.
Once mastered clearing shooting lanes from the tree stand, practice shooting from various positions from the tree stand, setting up marker tape at 10 20 and 30 yards.
Then during hunting season, waiting in silence for a total of 7 days, while passing up about 200 deer, and yes about 200 deer before I pulled the pin on one and cleanly took it at 27 yards. Double lung and heart hit, I waited 20 minutes after the shot, left stand and found deer after a very short trail of exactly 40 yards and 30 feet, with an obvious blood trail a child could follow.
Some people should never take up archery cause they think they still have a 7mm Magnum in thier hands, not my fault.
And thats how you are supposed to archery hunt deer via me.....
PS Excuse my tone, but I learned from my mistakes, thats how a person grows as a hunter.
Did or do your archery friends do that at least?
The habitual wounders I suspect not......
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You make baiting sound so easy.Then again most people have no idea just what is involved to set up and run a string of baits.They have the foolish idea that you just take some bait and dump it wherever and the bears will come right in.When I ran baits,it took about three hours every night to check and refresh the baits.Loading the truck with bait every night, then carrying it in to each bait site,then putting the barrels back in place and refilling them.That is after scouting to find suitable places,then setting up the baits and blinds and cutting shooting lanes where required.I am thinking that if you actually ran baits for a few weeks,your impression of it being so easy would change.
I agree with some of the above. Baiting is not hunting; like someone else said, it is just luring and ambushing dumb animals with the promise of food. It's cruel and it doesn't provide the animal with a fair chance in my opinion. It doesn't take any skill, no matter how hard some of you think it is to set up baits.
Digging holes or cutting trees is hard labour too but that doesn't make one who does that a hunter.
Digging holes or cutting trees is hard labour too but that doesn't make one who does that a hunter.
rollingrock said:
Declan said:
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Xman said:
The intent of this thread was to show off a monster black bear, the size of which few hunters on this forum will ever see. But it got side-tracked by the TROLL...
I must point out the TROLL aka, rollingrock deliberately went into this thread to sabotage it, I suppose to deflect attention from his own BS ethics that he has so publicly demonstrated in his SKS thread and once you get that topic going all the purists gotta pile on, eh?
The debate about baiting bears is old and tired and once again hunters with puritanical opinions have managed to derail a thread. The common denominator once again is that a few hunters with ignorant, intolerant opinions about their fellow hunters from the rest of the country.
So STFU about it already...
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ANYWAY...with all the ethical debating aside, that's still a helluva big bear Now sharpen those broadheads and go get 'em Tiger
Now sharpen those broadheads and go get 'em Tiger Your "friends" are obviously clueless apes and should not be using archery methods
Demonical said:The debate about baiting bears is old and tired and once again hunters with puritanical opinions have managed to derail a thread. The common denominator once again is that a few hunters with ignorant, intolerant opinions about their fellow hunters from the rest of the country.
So STFU about it already...
How can you say that when for the past few days you've been blasting RollingRock for his "unethical" hunting methods?
The thread seems to be gone but I distinctly remember a post you made a couple days ago, questioning the guy's ethics, compassion, hunting skills and wondered if he goes hunting just to hear animals suffer.
I think you're just getting called on your hypocracy and you don't like it.
If you're gonna dish it out to other hunters about their lack of morals and hunting ethics, you should be able to take it also.
Xman said:
Xman, I didn't question anything except the fact he shot the bear at point-blank range, where he saw it die... 15 yards away... then he sat back and waited and listened to it for 10 minutes before finally killing it.
I do believe a 7.6x39 is a marginal big game caliber... yes, I said that.
I am no hypocrite.
Xman on the other hand, you and your "holier-then-thou" attitude can go to hell.
And since you didn't respond to my questions,I will repeat them again.If you decline to answer again,we can only assume that you have never baited black bears,and are only speculating with no actual first hand experience.That certainly would not be a surprise.
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Great looking bear Demonical, thanks for the pics!
Demonical, outstanding pics. Nice post. I hope he gets that big fella. I'd love to score that skull.
As a note, just because something is legal, doesn't always mean you have to partake. Did you know that it was legal to shoot an Indian from a covered wagon in Prince Albert, SASK up until 1994????
I bait bears and I hunt them also spot and stalk. If nothing else, I get to see alot of bears over bait and learn what sizes, color phases etc there are in a certain area. My own scientific study in one area.
As a note, just because something is legal, doesn't always mean you have to partake. Did you know that it was legal to shoot an Indian from a covered wagon in Prince Albert, SASK up until 1994????
I bait bears and I hunt them also spot and stalk. If nothing else, I get to see alot of bears over bait and learn what sizes, color phases etc there are in a certain area. My own scientific study in one area.
stubblejumper said:
You don't get it man! I am not debating whether or not setting up bait is hard. I am asking you, what does luring an animal to food and shooting it when it it focused on eating have to do with hunting?
And no, I have never set bait for a bear, but I have hunted bear, the hard way.
I did a Eastern European bear and wild boar hunting tour. I got a decent size pig in Poland and a really nice Brown Bear in Romainia. It was real hunting, not hiding in an RV while the bear gourged itself to sleep.
...but Xman makes a good point. It is you Demonical who got 'holier than thou" on the asian dude with the SKS. 
Exactly my point.Since you have never baited for bear,you really have no idea what skills are required to be successful at baiting bears.
So the hard way is to let a guide find the bear for you and then use his knowledge and skill to get you into range to shoot the bear?
That certainly requires real hunting skills on the part of the hunter. And for the record,sitting in a treestand or behind a blind in the forest is a far cry from hiding in an RV.But then again someone that needs to go on a guided tour in Europe to kill a bear and a pig might not realize that.
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