Big variation in Varget burning rate!

I have been using Varget in my .308 and .223 target rifles since it hit the market in Canada. I usually buy it by the 8 lbs jug and have never see any huge differences in pressure or accuracy. Elevation setting have never been out by more that 1/2 moa out to 1000 yards.

Interestingly enough, I have always used IMR4064 and 4895 in loading my 308 hunting rifles. It was because of positive reports about Varget that I tried it with the CT 150, which I could not get to shoot very well with the IMR powders. :)

It shot great, and I also used it in my 9.3X62 a bit. It is this new jug that is so much faster.

Ted
 
150 gr CT partition
WLR primers
DA 66 brass

first bottle: 45 gr = 2800 fps

Sounds like typical Varget. velocity (DA66 is ~20 grains heavier military brass)

second bottle: 41 gr = 2800 fps

Wow - that's *way* more variation that I would have expected to be reasonable. That sounds more like what you'd expect from H322 or Benchmark.

As well as contacting Hodgdon, could you also please post the lot# *HERE*? (I just picked up some Varget for a friend, I'd like to have a look at it before I deliver it to him!)

Thanks for posting this, and glad to hear that nothing went seriously wrong for you!
 
The plot thickens! There is no lot number on the bottle!

It might be there, but if it is, it is obscured by a label I have not noticed before.

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The label begins with NOT FOR RESALE IN THE U.S.A

It covers the warnings on the first label and is in both English and French, so apparently was put on for export to Canada.

Anyway, there is no visible lot number anywhere on the bottle.

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Ted

PS: Sorry the first two pictures are so big. Have tried twice to resize them on Photobucket, to no avail.
 
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It should be under that label, under the CE.

$32.99 :eek:

S**t, I buy it for $22.00... is it that expensive everywhere in Canada now?
 
Hmmm, I just handed over two 1lb'ers of Varget to a friend last night, and similarly, we could not find any lot# info on the bottle. I am used to seeing a bright orange label, either on the side or on the bottom, with a zillion-digit number (of which, the last four digits are in fact the lot number). The bottles that I gave him, had the same bilingual "not for resale in the U.S.A" label on it as yours does.

I am interested in finding out where your bought your powder. Mine came from Higginson's, who is a (the?) Canadian importer for Hodgdon. It would make sense that Higginson's would add a bilngual label (so that it would be legal for sale in Canada), I can also see a certain amount of sense in including the "not for resale in USA" bit too, perhaps as part of their agreement with Hodgdon. But as to why there isn't a (visible?) lot number on the container, that is really odd.

I will contact Higginsons. and see what I can find out about the mystery of the missing lot numbers, and I'll also mention this case of the unusually quick Varget.

Kombayotch, yup, $33/lb is proably respresentative of a decent retail price in Canada. Long gone are the days of $20/lb powder at your local gun store. Part of the difference is of course the CAD:USD exchange rate, perhaps it is (slightly) less scandalous if you look at it as being USD25.75/lb.

You can do a bit better than that if you buy in larger quantities; the best prices I know of are from http://www.higginsonpowders.com/images/08hp1.pdf, however you have to add to those prices the costs of getting it in your hands (not always unreasonable, but to compare apples to apples w.r.t. gun store prices, you have to include this).

I still think in my head that my .308 match ammo costs "about 40c/round", even though every time I do the math it is well north of 50c/round no matter what accounting assumptions I make.

Cheers,
 
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I have now learnt that the lot number is printed on the main label, about one inch to the right of the "CE". Yes, in a location that is covered by the add-on bilingual label. On a container of powder that I got on Friday, I can _barely_ read the four digit lot number, *THROUGH* the upper label (mine is lot 4610). I have been informed that Hodgdon no longer uses orange stick-on lot number labels on their one pound containers (though they still use them on the 8#'ers).

Mount Sweetness, was your "4379" easily visible, or do you have to peel back a label, or read through a label, in order to see it? (BTW, the "4379" is the lot number of the powder; it is a sequential number that Hodgdon assigns. The other, earlier digits (8?) are a manufacturing number).

"Why not?", on your powder container, is there any way that you can read THROUGH that upper label, and determine the lot# of your powder? (I tried gently peeling back the label on mine, but it is made out of a material that delaminates, which is frustrating).

I must say that I am NOT IMPRESSED with Hodgdon obscuring such a vital piece of information on their powder containers. After I get everything sorted out, I will be complaining about this to them, and suggesting that they can do better than this.
 
Sorry, cannot read through the label, and as soon as I start to remove it, it tears the label underneath.

Oh well, I have the load sorted out. Will finish up the bottle in my 9.3X62, and go back to 4064/4895 in the 308. :D

Ted
 
Okay, where to from here?

Hrumph.

Yep, the lot number should be printed smack in the middle there, between the "LOT NUMBER" and the "t1095", and it is conspicuously absent.

(You did mention that this is another bottle of Varget - is it quite old, by any chance? that "t1095" is quite different than the two different labels I have seen, I wonder if it is a very old Varget bottle by any chance? If so, perhaps it has the older style orange sticker on the bottom of the container?)
 
it is all that clean Yukon air, powder burns funny in it. Is temperature differences partially to blame, i.e. how does Varget work in the cold?

I havent started using it yet but I read that it was very temperature stable.
One of the reasons Im going to start using it as the powder of choice when developing some new loads for a 7mm-08.
 
Hey, they guy is lucky he was able to score a jug of Varget! Always out everywhere I go around here. :(

As some mentioned, it's a great powder, but I also find it doesn't like the M14 and the AR that much. I found H4895 a bit more consistant in gas operated semi-autos.

Bolt & Lever guns it's great, but with the limited availability around here, the H4895 works wonders in those, too.
 
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