Correct, stop poking the BEAR with a sharp pointy stick.
Bill c-71
- Thread starter MD Charlton
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Correct, stop poking the BEAR with a sharp pointy stick.
How do you know what they are asking, the Firearms Centre regulations will be based off this bill once it becomes law? The Firearms Center will decide what and how much they can ask in order to satisfy the law. Do you not understand the difference between law and regulations, one promulgates and the other implements, the former is vague so the latter can be detailed.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
That's right.
Technically they could have issued a 12(3) right?
That was the whole reason these two rifles were supposedly prohibited in the first place. Suspect/confirmed Converted Auto receivers....
But that would mean they would have to grant 12(3) to a new younger generation of gun owners who would have then been able to maybe acquire old 12(3) rifles from the dying old timers. Maybe save them from the smelters which could not be allowed to happen as that would defeat the long term purpose of C68.
You will be able to use them FOR NOW at the range. They stopped issuing ATT's for prohibs in the 2000's from what I understand. Placation at the start to ensure compliance and registration until they tighten the screws.
So they effectively did 2 things with this; 1. They prevented this from happening by creating a brand new class of essentially 12(3) ie the new 12(9) specifically for these two models, even the 858's that were not included in the initial CA serial range which then now 2. Sets the precedent for the possible reclassification of many more NR rifles to the 12(9) class in the near future.
First it was just the CA serial number range of the 858's back in 2013 ie the suspect CA receiver range. And now it's ALL of them. So if there are people who still think they can't arbitrarily re-class any NR rifles as they see fit. They already did it appears and you can bet your dimes they are going to do it again.
My tin foil touqe is on tight and cant help myself but the inocent bystandard killed by a gun in toronto I believe was perfectly placed right after the news report on the new bill on last Nights news. The Mother is one tough cookie I would be crying my heart out after loosing my son! RIP
I'd imagine that this ties in with businesses requiring records of firearm purchases to be kept for 20 years. Say you buy a NR gun from a gun store. There will now be accessible record of that. If the police follow up with you about that NR gun, and you no longer have it because you sold it. They're probably going to be able to look and see if you made any calls to the CFC verifying the PAL.
Smells like a long gun registry work-around. Just because the RCMP don't have the list themselves and it is, in theory, a distributed list/registry amongst the various firearm resellers doesn't mean it isn't a veritable record clearly identifying individuals and the NR firearms they have purchased complete with serial numbers.
Youngfreshtoodeath
Regular
- Location
- Safe Harbour, BC
How would the be able to link the firearm to the random store you bought it from? It’s not like they will be able to look up the serial numbers on a data base they don’t have. There not gunna call every gun store in Canada and ask if they have the certain serial number on file. A literal wild goose chase/needle in a hay stack scenario.
I suggest that the liberals have sugar coated this bill. They are looking as good guys to Joe Public. Sorry for the half empty philosophy but I guarantee the RCMP is set up to be the bad guy and impose serious liberal ideology.
Unlike the Americans resistance to electronic records for such transactions we have no such limitations here. Searching every one of the thousand? couple thousand sellers? could take a few seconds or just 2 business days if the legislation makes that a requirement from vendors.
The point is it's still a record/registry.
Well, looks like I'll never be buying a new "registered" gun again. My 858 is going in a greasy grave too. #### gun ranges. I only shoot on my property, so it's soon to be useless. So sad. We are just an echo chamber here. We all agree and will all vote conservative, but it never seems to be enough. Never give up your guns lads. Write those MP's and keep up the good fight.
Youngfreshtoodeath
Regular
- Location
- Safe Harbour, BC
I disagree on your point of how fast they could do it. No gun store if gunna set up a computer system that has to connected to some Computer system that they can search. Your literal making things up that aren’t in the bill. It’s gunna all be on paper. Unless there told to by, once again, something you made up, by the government to have such a computer system, there not gunna waist the money. It will be next to impossible to link a gun to a gun store.
The gov't system most certainly has records of firearms in the country. The question is how reliable those records are, from what I have heard it can be pin point or absolutely useless information. Given the amount of time since 2012 with the death of the LGR there should be mass non-compliance of registering any non-restricted firearms that become restricted or prohibited.
If the gov't is going to take an inch they'll have to work for it.
If the gov't is going to take an inch they'll have to work for it.
Cameron SS
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Ground Zero
With a gun in hand, they will know the manufacturer.
Manufacturer will have records of which distributor it was sold to.
Distributor will have records of which business it was sold to.
Business will have record of WHO it was sold to. And there the trail goes cold. But this is basically what we already had. The whole reference number is just a PING on your license's record that your license was validated. Nothing about being validated and having a reference number issued guarantees you actually received a firearm, and nothing about the verification process requires the seller to disclose who they are.
For any firearm purchased before this bill comes into force, this transfer requirement is completely unenforceable. It will do nothing to prevent straw purchasing. It gives nothing to law enforcement in terms of traceability that it didn't already have. But it basically downloads the costs of record keeping and license validation on legal businesses and legal owners, with no benefit to public safety. #whereistheevidence, #whereistherespect.
rooster22
CGN Regular
Not sure how many of you guys are on Facebook, but if you are you should join the CCFR ( Canadian Coalition of Firearms Rights) group for up to date info from the hill, the CEO and Executive Director Rod Giltaca of the organization is now lobbying against this bill for us. There is a CCFR meeting at the Barley Mow on Merivale Road in Ottawa Thursday March 22nd at 7pm to 11pm.
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Oh yeah, fear the government fear fear fear.
THEY NEED TO FEAR US! THERE ARE WAY MORE OF US THAN THEM!
DID Y'ALL FAIL MATH IN SCHOOL?
They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Their only concern should be to protect our rights as sovereign citizens, that's it!
How is that going?
They will clean out the guns here just like they did in the UK, just like Australia.
What part of that do you not understand? A little here a little there, then bang we all wake up one day and wonder WTF happened?
My guns are gone! Oh #### now they are increasing the carbon tax 200% and i can't afford to drive my truck.
Oh ####, they increased my taxes again so i can only afford bears and rice once a day.
They want you to be slaves, they want you to fear them. They want you to live on your knees!
NO THANKS!
How many gun owners in this country?
Do you think we could man 100,000+ march to Ottawa and demand our gun rights protected?
With non restricted firearms in hand!!!
I guarantee they will notice then!
They way things are going now....
THEY NEED TO FEAR US! THERE ARE WAY MORE OF US THAN THEM!
DID Y'ALL FAIL MATH IN SCHOOL?
They are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Their only concern should be to protect our rights as sovereign citizens, that's it!
How is that going?
They will clean out the guns here just like they did in the UK, just like Australia.
What part of that do you not understand? A little here a little there, then bang we all wake up one day and wonder WTF happened?
My guns are gone! Oh #### now they are increasing the carbon tax 200% and i can't afford to drive my truck.
Oh ####, they increased my taxes again so i can only afford bears and rice once a day.
They want you to be slaves, they want you to fear them. They want you to live on your knees!
NO THANKS!
How many gun owners in this country?
Do you think we could man 100,000+ march to Ottawa and demand our gun rights protected?
With non restricted firearms in hand!!!
I guarantee they will notice then!
They way things are going now....
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