Bill c-71
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Cameron SS
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The only people required to keep records of the make and model and serial number of the gun is a business. Once it leaves the door the record keeping ends. Make model and serial number have never been sufficient to unique distinguish and identify a firearm. The business owner can not record where the firearm is going. There is only one type of transfer. THe CFO does not have the final say. The CFO has the first say, in determining if the license info provided is still valid. The business owner is still liable for the final decision to transfer a firearm, and the CFO can not in any way advise him in the person in front of him actually matches the verified license info, if the person is inebriated, if the person is violent, has a history of mental illness, pass convictions or violent behaviour not reported to the CFO. etc.
The Long Gun registry created a legally enforceable permanent and complete chain of custody for all legally compliant firearms owners that the state owned and had full access to.
This bill creates a legally unenforceable point of sale registry that is immediately of no legal value in tracking who owned what and when the minute it leaves the store. The government will not have access to those records directly, and nothing compels businesses to maintain those records in a searchable digital format.
What would you like me to think about? Or would you rather I just agreed with you?
This is not a registry. IN fact it is worse then a registry, because it is all of the burdensome and expensive compliance nonsense for gun owners, but none of the actual useful to LE information used for tracking firearms in probably less than 3% of successful firearms traces.
Wait...
so if this bill passes, we're supposed to phone in and get a reference/transfer number to transfer a NR (that to their knowledge I don't even own/they don't know about) then hand the phone to the buyer so he can confirm this mythical NR (that they have no record of its existence) is now legally his?
If that's correct... I'm gonna bet not very many calls will be made
To me, that reads the same as calling the DMV to get permission to sell my wheelbarrow (of which they have no knowledge nor give a sh!t about) to my neighbour... ...why would you make that call? You wouldn’t, it’s waste of everyone’s time that’s involved.
so if this bill passes, we're supposed to phone in and get a reference/transfer number to transfer a NR (that to their knowledge I don't even own/they don't know about) then hand the phone to the buyer so he can confirm this mythical NR (that they have no record of its existence) is now legally his?
If that's correct... I'm gonna bet not very many calls will be made
To me, that reads the same as calling the DMV to get permission to sell my wheelbarrow (of which they have no knowledge nor give a sh!t about) to my neighbour... ...why would you make that call? You wouldn’t, it’s waste of everyone’s time that’s involved.
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Hartman751
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- Red Deer, AB
One thought ringing in my head today.
If this is how they treat us when we have guns, just wait until we don't.
It's worth a second thought.
If this is how they treat us when we have guns, just wait until we don't.
It's worth a second thought.
I disagree Cameron, you make some valid points but a piece of paper with my PAL and the serial number on it is a registry, period. If it had no value, why would they be seeking it? Why does the bill specifically reference restoring access to the 2012 registry? It was supposed to be deleted? What do they need it for?
The RCMP classification process and repeal of the criminal code surrounding classifications alone are extremely overreaching
It is death by a million cuts, and a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Don't worry about picking up a CZ... the AR is going to be on the prohib list next and we'll all be getting grandfathered rights.
Its way too late tonight to cross reference, but there are a few paragraphs repealing certain acts of the abolition of the long gun registry as if they did not occur. That is disconcerting. And they will extend the time limit Quebec may have access all information contained in the long gun registry up to 240 days from the bill coming into force or something to that effect. So, I guess the records as they existed at the time the CPC ordered them destroyed did not get destroyed. WTF ?? And does all the information at that time get re entered into records if those sections of the act are repealed. We need to find that out .
This is exactly like Restricted transfers, seller calls and sets up transfer, gives buyer reference number and then buyer calls. 2 minutes later it is over to the CFO to process. I suspect though in this case it would end right when you get the number.
I get the impression for your exact point but that it isn't mandatory but as an option for the seller if he needs to do his due diligence but that is also wishful thinking on my part.
I suspect this will be one that is going to be discussed a lot
Exactly. It also doesn't have any followup to confirm the transfer occured. That was handled through a short term ATT. I think if this goes through, it should be a warning to all those bolt action hunters out there who don't sign petitions for stuff they don't use to start signing. Govt will be more hesitant with a petition of 100,000 over 11,000 like E111 was
might want to loosen your tin foil hat a little,one case involving a nutcase in Florida is NOT a reason to running off like a chicken with it's head cut off,you'll NEVER see full scale confiscation in the US,a civil war would come first,they have over 400 million guns there,they also have the NRA,the Liberal Democrat party there is nearly extinct,and they will loose more come next elections,US gun owners have A LOT of power behind them,i just wish Canada gun owners had a little bit of that,
That is a really tiny If
Maybe not, the AR could be a new 12(x), and would not allow you to buy a SAN or 858...not expert, just what I am predicting
