Mutt58
CGN Regular
- Location
- Sunshine Coast
Well done!
As good as I've ever heard,wish you were making the laws lol
As good as I've ever heard,wish you were making the laws lol
Bill S-223
- Thread starter Mr Wolverine
- Start date
jdharcus
Member
- Location
- Calgary, AB
http://www.csaaa.org/senate-bill-s-223-update/
Senator Hervieux-Payette is scheduled to retire on April 22nd. It is not clear if the bill dies when its sponsor retires. Technically, the bill requires a sponsor to proceed.
Senate bills rarely succeed. Private Member's Bills rarely succeed.
Senator Hervieux-Payette is scheduled to retire on April 22nd. It is not clear if the bill dies when its sponsor retires. Technically, the bill requires a sponsor to proceed.
Senate bills rarely succeed. Private Member's Bills rarely succeed.
wbaad
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Yorkton, Sask
Simply don't comply. They can't arrest everyone
MountedMadness
Regular
- Location
- Currently BC
Kevin, thank you and others in joining those of us who have written to Ottawa.
I didn't send a fax to Senator H-Payette after reading her website ( http://eurekablog.ca/en/articles/?ccm_paging_p_b570=2 ) as well as other links that clearly demonstrated that her mind was made up and was not open to 'facts and details'.
I didn't send a fax to the other Liberal Senators simply due to my belief that they would march to the parties drum major and not to the benefit of the audience.
I will amend that detail this weekend and email my fax to the remaining Senators of both Liberal and Independent persuasions.
I SUGGEST...In fact I encourage each and every reader, member and interested party to actually write their respective MP as well as the Senator who originates from your region.
A written letter, email or facsimile will at the very least raise awareness with the HIRED HELP that they are accountable to their 'subjects' - not to themselves.
There is no stamp required if using snail mail.
There is no need to be crude, demeaning or otherwise rude and condescending.
A thoughtful yet forceful letter that you would write to your own child who just doesn't get the signals you are sending would be the best way to approach this.
Sounding off with insults and slurs will just get their hackles up and their stubbornness jacked up.
When you read through this Senators blog, website and other links, you realize her opinion can be countered with facts and figures.
Something that needs to be said again and again AND AGAIN.
Restrain your anger and frustration, because if you don't you'll lose the argument.
If you lose your temper, and the next person does, and the next - eventually we all will lose.
Focus on the argument and make your point!!!
Here's a link to addresses, email, and facsimile numbers for the MPs currently in Ottawa...
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parliamentarians/en/members?view=List
Your welcome...
...B
- Location
- Ottawa, Ontario
I assure you that if you were the one that the government focused it's attention on, you would almost certainly sing a different tune.
Then again, maybe you would stand your ground while they ruin your life by bankrupting & incarcerating you...
DT741
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Canada, QC
tiremelter
New member
- Location
- southwestern ontario
I emailed my MP, he is conservative and doesn't think this bill will get very far. He said if it does make to the house then he will obviously oppose it.
Deckard
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chumperistani Gulag
It's pretty easy for everyone to miss a deadline. At some point there needs to be a line in the sand. If this is t it, what is? I assure you the Liberals want to know. The hardest point is convincing socially engineered gun owners that they should stand for something. At least I think that's where he was going with his statement.
and to echo another's response... one by one the powers that be will come for you (us). I would like you to contemplate the risk you put yourself, your family and your neighbor's in should you decide to make a "stand" at your front door.
Deckard
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chumperistani Gulag
You probably know he's not talking about 'a stand'. Just not complying. Let them come to two million homes and peacefully collect property. If Mike from Canmore doesn't own it all by then.
GALIL Man
CGN Regular
- Location
- Burlington, Ontario
I think the frustration comes from not knowing what brings about success. This truly must be done in a legal way. During the round of OIC's in the mid 90's, I like a few others lost quite a few pieces to the system. I feel I was also successfully able to contribute via legal methods to keeping a few of the firearms from being swept up in the tide. The legal system is slow but keeps you the individual out of hot water.
Those who speak of tyranny, yup...it sure is. Those who speak of resistance? Think about it. This isn't the past; the opposing forces do not form a line of scrimmage or Roman Square nor are there "rules" of conduct.
When the day comes when they decide that firearms are no longer privately owned, one possibility is that they will come to your house while you're at work and take them. Big struggle.
Those who speak of resistance? Too many movies? When they come to your door, what...you believe 1000's of fellow firearms owners will come screaming down the road to your aid and overwhelm the aggressors in numbers? Seriously?
We need to do all we can to shift the 'social re-engineering" done by the Liberals (and the UN) on and off for the last 40 years + and it starts within our own ranks.
I look at the club I occasionally frequent; try and shoot a rapid fire string, bring a rifle that doesn't have wood for furniture...oh the dirty looks. When the folks that hate on their own kind change their attitude and we can all learn to support
one another in our hobby (and what I firmly believe should be our right), then we will have a combined and organized community of gun owners.
Right now we're just many small camps. We do eat our own kind...
Those who speak of tyranny, yup...it sure is. Those who speak of resistance? Think about it. This isn't the past; the opposing forces do not form a line of scrimmage or Roman Square nor are there "rules" of conduct.
When the day comes when they decide that firearms are no longer privately owned, one possibility is that they will come to your house while you're at work and take them. Big struggle.
Those who speak of resistance? Too many movies? When they come to your door, what...you believe 1000's of fellow firearms owners will come screaming down the road to your aid and overwhelm the aggressors in numbers? Seriously?
We need to do all we can to shift the 'social re-engineering" done by the Liberals (and the UN) on and off for the last 40 years + and it starts within our own ranks.
I look at the club I occasionally frequent; try and shoot a rapid fire string, bring a rifle that doesn't have wood for furniture...oh the dirty looks. When the folks that hate on their own kind change their attitude and we can all learn to support
one another in our hobby (and what I firmly believe should be our right), then we will have a combined and organized community of gun owners.
Right now we're just many small camps. We do eat our own kind...
Just my two cents
To M.P. ……………
"GTA" South Riding.
My name is "Geer_Hoor", I’m writing to you today to voice my opposition towards Bill S 223 being brought before the senate on April 19th 2016. Bill S 223 is a firearms bill that will dramatically affect both private owners of firearms and those small businesses which purvey firearms and businesses that cater to hunters.
Before I begin I would like to provide you with some background I have with firearms. By age 12 I had joined the Royal Canadian Army Cadets, within a couple months I experienced firing my first rifle on C.F.B. Borden. The rifle was the FN C1A1 which at the time was the standard issue to regular force soldiers in the caliber they shot. When I turned 16 years old I applied for and was granted a “Firearms Acquisition Certificate” and subsequently purchased my first rifle. At 17 years old I joined the Canadian Armed Forces reserve as an infantry soldier, I learned how to operate a select fire rifles, full automatic machine guns and rocket launchers. By the time I was 25 I had left the reserves and became a police officer, I now have 17 years of experience 15 of which are as a frontline officer. I have on several occasions dealt with both criminally and lawfully possessed firearms. The firearms being used criminally were in all cases illegally obtained. I have had to confiscate legally owned firearms which were stored according to regulation and were not used or threatened to be used to commit any offence. They were seized under the auspice of public safety during domestic incidents.
This piece of legislation is flawed to say the least. It by and large reinstates the long gun registry for semi-automatic rifles, it will force owners of these firearms to store said firearms at a central location and provide legislation that would force the firearms to be transported to and from a range / hunt camp by an authorized transportation company. I would like to address the above issues by stating that the long gun registry was an absolute failure due to both it’s expense and it’s inability to actually prevent crime from occurring. As an officer I never worried about going to a home I know had firearms in it, I was more worried about going to a home that I wouldn’t know if firearms were present as those would have been obtained illegally. Currently police in Canada know if a home or individual within the home has a valid “Possession Acquisition Licence” as long as the individual is complying with the Firearm Act Legislation by updating their address with RCMP.
Storing a large number of firearms in a centralized location brings about a number of concerns not the least of which is a place like that is a really juicy target for criminals. The concern about an individual having access to their firearms to go to a range when they choose (some ranges in Southern Ontario are accessible 24 hours a day with membership). How does one then get their firearm transported to said facility at the firearm owners convenience? Who will be paying for the cost of the facility, the employees of that facility and the transportation company? How will a certified transportation company get the firearms to a “fly in” moose hunting camp? The hobby of sport shooting and hunting is expensive to say the least, the provisions within this bill will make it completely cost prohibitive. The small independent businesses centered around these activities will go bankrupt.
The tenor of the language within this bill is insidious, it lumps together individuals who have passed all the required training, been vetted by the RCMP or other provincial / local police service and adhered to the legislation and laws surrounding firearms, with individuals who have neither the intent to be upstanding members of society nor obey any law surrounding firearm use and possession. There has been no statistical evidence presented about the number of gun related crimes perpetrated by the lawful firearm owner versus the illegal firearm possessor. I am not so naïve to think that just because someone legally owns firearms that they are incapable of committing a crime with them, however for most firearms owners these firearms represent a significant financial investment and would risk losing that investment and so much more in committing and criminal act. As firearm owners are, we are checked on CPIC ( Canadian Police Information Computer) daily, convicted registered ### offenders are not checked as often. If we even get into a consent fight out in the street and our names are checked by local police the RCMP are made aware of it and we have to justify why we should be allowed to keep our licence and firearms.
The legislation essentially flies in the face of the spirit of what Minister of Public Safety for Ontario Naqvi said about “carding” and “subject stops” by identifying a demographic and subjecting those people to a different standard of justice. Nowhere else in Canada do you see a group of people subjected to enhanced law and regulation simply because of what they own. I'm sure if you spoke to any lawful firearm owner regardless of it's present classification they would be in full agreement that if an individual uses or threatens to use a firearm for illegal purposes that the individual should be charged accordingly.
The last point I would like to make is that within the current regulations law enforcement does have the right and obligation to seize lawfully owned firearms when a concern presents itself. Specifically in regards to domestic incidents (where the firearm is NOT used or threatened) or on grounds that someone is having a mental health crisis. The individual is sent before a Justice of the Peace for a firearms hearing to determine whether or not they should retain their property and licence.
By and large I feel a balance has been struck between the need for public safety and an individuals property rights. Many firearm owners are well versed in the legislation, myself among them find many of the laws to be necessary and beneficial and many we find unnecessary and frivolous. If there is to be a change in legislation please consult with ALL the stakeholders don't pass laws that are draconian and arbitrary.
Sincerely G_H
To M.P. ……………
"GTA" South Riding.
My name is "Geer_Hoor", I’m writing to you today to voice my opposition towards Bill S 223 being brought before the senate on April 19th 2016. Bill S 223 is a firearms bill that will dramatically affect both private owners of firearms and those small businesses which purvey firearms and businesses that cater to hunters.
Before I begin I would like to provide you with some background I have with firearms. By age 12 I had joined the Royal Canadian Army Cadets, within a couple months I experienced firing my first rifle on C.F.B. Borden. The rifle was the FN C1A1 which at the time was the standard issue to regular force soldiers in the caliber they shot. When I turned 16 years old I applied for and was granted a “Firearms Acquisition Certificate” and subsequently purchased my first rifle. At 17 years old I joined the Canadian Armed Forces reserve as an infantry soldier, I learned how to operate a select fire rifles, full automatic machine guns and rocket launchers. By the time I was 25 I had left the reserves and became a police officer, I now have 17 years of experience 15 of which are as a frontline officer. I have on several occasions dealt with both criminally and lawfully possessed firearms. The firearms being used criminally were in all cases illegally obtained. I have had to confiscate legally owned firearms which were stored according to regulation and were not used or threatened to be used to commit any offence. They were seized under the auspice of public safety during domestic incidents.
This piece of legislation is flawed to say the least. It by and large reinstates the long gun registry for semi-automatic rifles, it will force owners of these firearms to store said firearms at a central location and provide legislation that would force the firearms to be transported to and from a range / hunt camp by an authorized transportation company. I would like to address the above issues by stating that the long gun registry was an absolute failure due to both it’s expense and it’s inability to actually prevent crime from occurring. As an officer I never worried about going to a home I know had firearms in it, I was more worried about going to a home that I wouldn’t know if firearms were present as those would have been obtained illegally. Currently police in Canada know if a home or individual within the home has a valid “Possession Acquisition Licence” as long as the individual is complying with the Firearm Act Legislation by updating their address with RCMP.
Storing a large number of firearms in a centralized location brings about a number of concerns not the least of which is a place like that is a really juicy target for criminals. The concern about an individual having access to their firearms to go to a range when they choose (some ranges in Southern Ontario are accessible 24 hours a day with membership). How does one then get their firearm transported to said facility at the firearm owners convenience? Who will be paying for the cost of the facility, the employees of that facility and the transportation company? How will a certified transportation company get the firearms to a “fly in” moose hunting camp? The hobby of sport shooting and hunting is expensive to say the least, the provisions within this bill will make it completely cost prohibitive. The small independent businesses centered around these activities will go bankrupt.
The tenor of the language within this bill is insidious, it lumps together individuals who have passed all the required training, been vetted by the RCMP or other provincial / local police service and adhered to the legislation and laws surrounding firearms, with individuals who have neither the intent to be upstanding members of society nor obey any law surrounding firearm use and possession. There has been no statistical evidence presented about the number of gun related crimes perpetrated by the lawful firearm owner versus the illegal firearm possessor. I am not so naïve to think that just because someone legally owns firearms that they are incapable of committing a crime with them, however for most firearms owners these firearms represent a significant financial investment and would risk losing that investment and so much more in committing and criminal act. As firearm owners are, we are checked on CPIC ( Canadian Police Information Computer) daily, convicted registered ### offenders are not checked as often. If we even get into a consent fight out in the street and our names are checked by local police the RCMP are made aware of it and we have to justify why we should be allowed to keep our licence and firearms.
The legislation essentially flies in the face of the spirit of what Minister of Public Safety for Ontario Naqvi said about “carding” and “subject stops” by identifying a demographic and subjecting those people to a different standard of justice. Nowhere else in Canada do you see a group of people subjected to enhanced law and regulation simply because of what they own. I'm sure if you spoke to any lawful firearm owner regardless of it's present classification they would be in full agreement that if an individual uses or threatens to use a firearm for illegal purposes that the individual should be charged accordingly.
The last point I would like to make is that within the current regulations law enforcement does have the right and obligation to seize lawfully owned firearms when a concern presents itself. Specifically in regards to domestic incidents (where the firearm is NOT used or threatened) or on grounds that someone is having a mental health crisis. The individual is sent before a Justice of the Peace for a firearms hearing to determine whether or not they should retain their property and licence.
By and large I feel a balance has been struck between the need for public safety and an individuals property rights. Many firearm owners are well versed in the legislation, myself among them find many of the laws to be necessary and beneficial and many we find unnecessary and frivolous. If there is to be a change in legislation please consult with ALL the stakeholders don't pass laws that are draconian and arbitrary.
Sincerely G_H
I was making an inference. Even if it is peacefully collected likely "he", "you", "we" will end up in handcuffs and facing charges and still lose our property or in the very least never be able to use it again. Basically gambling that authorities will not show up at your door for non-compliance.
bcbravo2zero
CGN Regular
No one is talking about this. No one should. The focus of these threads is to get people motivated to protect our civil liberties through writing letters & emails, supporting the NFA & CSSA, becoming politically active, etc.
"Resistance" is grassroots political resistance to an unjust and baseless trampling of our civil liberties.
"Resistance" was what happened in our ranks in response to the LGR.
GALIL Man
CGN Regular
- Location
- Burlington, Ontario
I do what I did in 95 with C68. Hire a Lawyer and have them do their best to navigate the system for me. Write whoever will listen, anything legal that doesn't cause me and my family incarceration or bankruptcy.
What on earth 'stand' do you believe can be made other than that?
What on earth 'stand' do you believe can be made other than that?
