Bird Shot in your Home Defense Shotgun

Cameron SS said:
With a lot of little people living in my house, Id rather aim a touch high rather than low. I also dont expect many home invaders in Canada wearing armour in anticipation of a gun fight.
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Probably not, agreed. Just saying, if things get really intense like they did in the former Yugoslavia, we might have to shift perspectives in this regard. The common criminal element such as we see in the Jane & Finch area aren't wearing anything unfashionable like plate carriers. But those types aren't usually coming after us in our homes either. The biggest threat from common drug/rapper gangster types is being a bystander and catching a stray bullet... which is to say, most of what they shoot, because frankly those guys are about as far from precision shooters as possible, basically storm troopers. The most recent published shooting seems far too typical - over 60 shots fired from 7 pistols and only 2 guys wounded but apparently going to survive. Not something I'd want happening on my street, but generally speaking not something to worry about.

I was thinking of the tactical shotgun with a couple of wax slugs in #7.5, then a couple of 1oz slugs, in the framing of a major uprising or societal breakdown of some sort, not common criminality which is rather rare and getting more rare year by year. Home invasions tend to happen most often to those already involved in the criminal life. People doing honest work still get victimized now and then, and we need to think about that possibility, but it's hardly worth devoting too much thought to that beyond basic security and awareness. Sorry if I was unclear about the perspective from which I've been contributing arguments, but as I probably indicated earlier, the shotgun is my last line of defence, extremely unlikely to come into play in normal circumstances. In case of ultraviolence, out comes the 12ga, and that's when I'll want to have previously thought out what sort of hell is best for the first salvo or two.
 
Its all a moot point about bird shot in the house.
Cause iffen one is going to be thinking about the size of shot the bad guy(s) are going to have the advantage of the home owner fretting about his shot section.
4Buck and his three friends Pete,Re=Pete and Ditto are going to be speaking with authority and iffen one can ghost load that four round then Fred will be left with whats left.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
GerardSamija said:
On the other side you've got guys like B, saying variations on his theme that you dare not use birdshot, or by extension a .22lr, or by extension a 9mm Luger cartridge, as these will surely pass through multiple barriers whether or not you hit your intended target and family members or neighbours
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I didn't say anything like that, either you've mistaken me for someone else or you don't do well comprehending what you read. I don't have any problem at all with .22 or 9mm. I shared what I use and recommended using whatever. This revolves around an extremely unlikely scenario packed within another extremely unlikely scenario. Absurd is definitely a good word for it all.
 
dogzilla said:
To some, going through all that trouble seems a lot like premeditation. Just buy a box of whatever you feel comfortable with.
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Quote of the week, seriously? How would a court rationally interpret the use of a waxed slug against a violent home invasion as premeditation? Did the theoretical resident whose home was being invaded plan to have those specific individuals break into their home with weapons and violent intent, threatening him and his family? Seems to me that even a legal aid could come up with sufficiently strong arguments to squash such a claim, off hand, without research or notes. Now did this theoretical violent home invader premeditate the crime? Of course he did. That's the nature of home invasions. Innocent, honest citizens don't just find themselves walking down a residential street, then suddenly have weapons appear in their hands and the notion to bust into someone's house pop unbidden into their heads.

For an argument of premeditation on the part of the victim of such a crime, I think you'd have to demonstrate unsafe storage at a minimum, and possibly something as deliberate as evidence of a loaded gun close to hand during the event. Perhaps even a booby trap or similar, something which could threaten public safety. There are good reasons that in most such cases in Canada where an intruder has been severely injured or killed, the resident serves no prison time. The exceptions stand out, obviously, and some of those are outrages against reason and legal process, but they are a tiny minority. Just like bad cops.
 
From 20 feet or less of "home defense" #7.5 birdshot nobody is walking away from that but the shot will not travel through multiple interior walls and shouldn't pass beyond your own house exterior wall. Buckshot / slugs will is definitely more lethal but it's also more lethal to your neighbours which you don't want at all. If i lived in a country I was able to protect myself from criminals I would put 2 rounds of #7.5 and 2 rounds of 00 Buck if the tube had more room than that i would probably use a couple slug after the buck
 
Sinasta said:
Everyone who advocates birdshot somehow always say they will have buck or slugs after it...whys that? lol
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Well cause again you have people maybe sleeping in the house with you and the neighbours so penetration is not something you want to be hoping for also yes its the first shot if that does not work you have another option but that is also increasing your chances of killing your neighbour ! Not sure what kind of shot they used in that video but I know from my own shooting at targets what the hole from a close range #7.5 birdshot does and it's a hole the size of a baseball

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You think a hole like this is not lethal ? okie dokie then


Heck why not just use my 45-70 with 500gr bullets going 1800fps if that stops a grizzly must be the best home defense round you can have right ?
 
mark222 said:
My thinking would be that the fight starts inside, but may transition to outside where ranges are longer.
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That's very bad thinking. The fight can never leave your house. I have a police officer(pro-gun) relative tell me if I ever

get into a gun fight in my home, center mass with 00 buck_dead men tell no tails. If it takes a second round of 00 buck

because the pos is wearing heavy winter clothing then so be it.

If the pos makes it back out your door_even 1 inch_ high on meth or pcp and miraculously exits, you can't pursue him

outside and continue the gun fight. You'll be charged with murder_if his body is 1 inch outside-charged with murder.

He either dies inside or you let him go_that simple. He can die outside if he wants some fresh air. You can't drag a body

back into your house_it will leave a blood trail.

My choice is 00 buck, but birdshot will work at relatively close range-even if it takes a couple of rounds.

One caveat. Do not shoot the pos in the back_you'll be charged with murder just like a guy in ON (can't remenber his name young

ex-CDN forces) who was cleared of his charges of murder under self-defense laws by a jury.

The Crown appealed his not-guilty verdict on the grounds that when the accused fires the second round from his shotgun the

dead man was hit mostly in the back. Long story short, he is facing a 2nd trail for murder, unless the SCOC hears his appeal.

Either way his life is screwed_the aboriginal man's family has already started a lawsuit for damages_like he was gonna be

worth a million if he'd worked for a living instead of being a long term criminal.:rolleyes:

You have to have the scenario burned into your mind as to how you will respond_not on the fly. Stay safe.

PS always have a tactical light on your shotgun to be sure of what/who you're shooting at.
 
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