Black Bear takes Moose Calf

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sjemac said:
We should hunt bears. But not becuase they kill moose calves. We should hunt them because we utilize the meat and hides and the population can sustain it and reduce human conflicts. Bears gotta eat and I don't begrudge them one morsel of venison. But black bear is my wife's favorite wild game meat and so they've got to die.
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Yeah!! I like this kind of approach--no rationalization for sake of political correctness or whatnot. Black bears are plentiful enough to sustain a lot more hunting pressure and the best way to help build a sustainable hunt is to be perceived as being hunters who utilize what we take. This is a good post!!


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bisonhd said:
Black Bears are/were pretty good at cleaning up the deer fawns on Vancouver Island and the few wolves to the rap. Unfortunately the adaptable bears are able to move on to different food sources when the deer are diminished and are still doing too well here.
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I wish that they would send a couple of those bears to the Waterton Park town site. The Mule deer have taken over the town. Nothing safe! Tourists! Trees! and plants have to be protected by ugly wire and there are signs warning that even dogs on lead may be attacked by the deer:mad: :eek: I have no problem with wildlife in the wild, but I have a problem when animals are taken out of the wild and when the wild is taken out of the wild critters.
 
I STRONGLY agree that the spring bear hunt needs to be reinstated in ontario. I'm convinced that black bears are following pregnant cows til they have the calf then they steal the bloody thing(pun intended) soon as it hits the ground.


never been bear hunting but it looks SWEET, tons of bear sign at my hunt camp too....like 5 years ago we used to go to the dump and watch them every night lol
 
Waterton ... shouldn't even have a "town-site"... it's a National Park.

Wildlife belongs there ... "residents" and urban development doesn't.
One of the good things about Waterton is that it hasn't been raped, pilaged and over-commercialized to the same extent as Banff & some of the others.
 
X2 on the spring bear hunt coming back. There is just way way way too many of them here. and I am seeing much less moose as well.
I am seriously debating on getting me a bear tag for this fall!
 
X3 on the Ontario Spring bear hunt coming back. I am definately buying a bear tag for this Fall. I know there is at least one on my Uncle's place because I saw it last Fall, & it took one of his bee hives last Spring. Uncle took a shot at it, but I don't think he hit it. No moose in our area, but lots of whitetails. A bearskin rug on my floor would also be nice. Have to start learning about the baiting process.

George
 
Whining about bringing back the spring bear in Ontario isn't worth a rats ass on this site, ya gotta send a letter to your MP, but as you know that lieberal P.O.S. in office in Ontario (McSquinty) ain't gonna turn his back on his granola eating voters. He won't be seeing anything like that in the big city so what does he care, his voters don't live in Northern Ontario.

Were just SOL, thats why our moose tags up here keep dropping as well, the bears WILL get out of hand and then something will be done but it won't be a hunting season, unless another party is voted into Ontario but thats when hell freezes over as well.
 
I have to go serious bear hunting this fall. I kind got lazy last two years, but this fall in Sept I gotta go and bring some home.
 
MadDog said:
Whining about bringing back the spring bear in Ontario isn't worth a rats ass on this site, ya gotta send a letter to your MP, but as you know that lieberal P.O.S. in office in Ontario (McSquinty) ain't gonna turn his back on his granola eating voters. He won't be seeing anything like that in the big city so what does he care, his voters don't live in Northern Ontario.

Were just SOL, thats why our moose tags up here keep dropping as well, the bears WILL get out of hand and then something will be done but it won't be a hunting season, unless another party is voted into Ontario but thats when hell freezes over as well.
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Maddog,

Yes I agree with you. If every hunter in Ontario wrote a letter to Mr. McStinky (CC to National Post) asking him to reinstate the Spring bear hunt, I'll bet he would have to do something. It would certainly become a press story. I guess we don't want it as bad as we think we do. It would also be nice if there were statistics available to corroborate the moose & deer predation. I'm convinced it's going on but we need to be able to prove it. Photos of the bear scat full of deer/moose hooves would be a good start. I am personally going to keep on the lookout for it. I suppose taking a bear in the Fall would still be a good start to reduce predation.

George
 
First of all: I am NOT opposed to spring bear hunts - I think spring bear tastes better than fall bear, personally:D . Additionally, I never hunted big game during my jail-time in the TO suburbs:puke: , so forgive my lack of knowledge:redface:.

My question is this: Are the fall bear hunt regulations/allocations in ON so limiting in hunting opportunities that it allows bear populations to increase so drastically? Or, is it a matter of hunter choice - i.e., choosing to hunt other big game in the fall rather than bear - that results in reduced pressure on the bear population? If it is the latter, ON hunters have to start buying up those tags and shoot your way back into a more balanced big game population ratio, but you also have to keep the political pressure up to reinstate the spring hunt. If it is the former, then political pressure on your ministers and the OMNR (i.e., getting population numbers for various big game before and after the ban, getting spokes people and/or OFAH involved) will be needed.
 
You guys in Ontario need to send that video link to the animal rights offices in Toronto. If I remeber right, it was an office there that directly caused the end of the spring bear hunt. Show them how over numbers of black bears are killing off the moose calves. That crying little moose calf, that should give them animal rights Librals a "shock"....."oh my! But we always thought bears and baby moose were friends that played together and had tea partys":D
 
I think that one of the benefits to the spring bear hunt are for hunters like me. During the fall I hunt moose and deer, I usually have a bear tag just in case however I have never shot a bear in the fall as I am not hunting them. I don't like bear meat and don't eat it. If I shoot a bear not only could the shot scare away a deer but also it results in my doing a lot of work (I am lazy)to clean and gut the bear just so I can give it to my brother in law (he loves bear so it is not wasted). However during the spring doldrums I will sometimes hunt bear because I want to be out there hunting, now if I get a bear (I've let more walk away then taken) I don't seem to mind all the work to give my brother in law a bunch of meat. (By the way he is in poor health and unable to hunt himself)
If the spring bear hunt did not exist there would probably be less bears taken here in BC because I think there are other hunters out there like me who may not hunt bear during the "regular" season
 
glang1 said:
I suppose taking a bear in the Fall would still be a good start to reduce predation.

George
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Ya, taking one in the fall helps but by then the calves have pretty much been taken care of by them.

If a bear were to be playing around the kids this spring it would be a good idea to stop that in self defence, or if you don't have kids, bring out a nephew or niece.
 
MadDog said:
If a bear were to be playing around the kids this spring it would be a good idea to stop that in self defence, or if you don't have kids, bring out a nephew or niece.
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Yes, that is a good idea, or it was trying to take one of the bee hives again. However in that case I am NOT allowed to shoot it as the regs say it has to be the Owner or immediate relative. I'm his nephew, so I don't qualify :rolleyes:

George
 
Well let's do something about it then guy's! let's stop #####ing on here and whining and lets get some sh!t together to fire off to our MP.
Quite frankly, I am pissed off because there is way to many of them up in my neck of the woods, and less and less moose tags are being given out every year. There are hunters here that have gone"""""""""7 years""""""""" with out getting a bull tag. That is BS. The moose population is in harm in Ontario due to these morons that dont have a F-ing clue about wildlife.
Not to mention, I am seeing less moose.
Something has got to be done. Can we get in touch with a major newspaper company to make our voices heard so our complaints don't get hidden behind the curtain?
 
northwoodslivin said:
Well let's do something about it then guy's! let's stop #####ing on here and whining and lets get some sh!t together to fire off to our MP.
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Ah!!! A voice of reason... Shooting bears and claiming self defence when it is really not, is a terribly poor strategy to get favours from politicians and certainly not from animal activists, who were the ones that provoked the change in season in the first place.

As I said before, buy those fall bear tags and have fun shooting them, and work on those politicians... they sure hate the media if it causes negative attention...:D
 
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catnthehatt said:
They take whattever they can catch!!
Weak, sick, slow, unsuspecting, whatever, if they can get it, so be it.
Same as the pics of the wolves and the moose.
Feel sorry for the moose?
HELL NO!:runaway:
It's what predators do, us included.
We have no more special rights to hunt and kill than any other predator, and if someone thinks that wolves and bears are crruel, just read the papers!!:eek:
Cat
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Amen brother.
 
yupper said:
Ah!!! A voice of reason... Shooting bears and claiming self defence when it is really not, is a terribly poor strategy to get favours from politicians and certainly not from animal activists, who were the ones that provoked the change in season in the first place.
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I believe the veiled comment to take the bear out of season was just a tongue-in-cheek comment. No one here is advocating breaking the law. I can understand people's frustration at the decline in the moose #s. An article in this month's Ontario out of Doors blames the decline of moose on climate change & parasites. It does mention bear/wolf predation, but not in great detail. I am incline to believe that bear/wolf predation is higher than what is being currently percived. I hope anyone that has hard evidence to backup this claim would make it available to the MNR.

yupper said:
As I said before, buy those fall bear tags and have fun shooting them, and work on those politicians... they sure hate the media if it causes negative attention...:D
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I agree, but I would inject one cautionary note to this: Don't buy a tag unless you fully intend to harvest a bear. The anti's will use the license data to say; Look at all these issued bear license's vs. the # of bears harvested. There obviously isn't as many bears as people are saying or these tags would have been filled. We have to try & stay at least 1 step ahead of these b@stards. Just my humble thoughts.

George
 
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