Black/green rifles to be prohibited soon???

If I had to guess, since M14's, like FN-FAL's, came from the factory both as semi as well as full auto flavors, the 14 fell thru the cracks .... Now the last time the CONSERVATIVES were in power, under Kim Campbell's leadership (if anything it should teach every Canadian a lesson about the dangers of having a (granted, unelected) western PM), they "sorted the whole mess out" in a way by declaring every "converted-auto" prohib .... Yeah, I'm one of those guys that trust politicians of any flavor about as much as I trust a starving, wounded, black bear whom is coming right at me .... It just HAS to be friendly, like a dog, right ??? I'm being gentle here, my opinion of the very concept of a political "party" is a whole lot less "understanding" ....

And since there was no physical difference between F/A and S/A M14's, except for adding the fun switch (which didn't come from the factory but could be added later on by anyone who felt like it and got hold of the parts), it became politically convenient to lump the whole mess into a single category ....

Lemme ask you this : Why are there 12(3) Steyr AUG's out there, but no 12(4) despite the fact that there was such a thing as a semi-auto version ?

If you'd think that 12(4)'s were pretty much all seized and destroyed, without compensation, except for a select few who'se owners went to court over the matter and won, you'd be right .... I know of some people who got their 12(3)'s "grandfathered" and got their 12(4)'s seized, putting them tens of thousands of dollars in the hole in the process ... Sometimes it just plain sucks when your shooting buddy is the local police chief so registry or not, they know you have it ...

;):runaway::welcome: I agree 100% .. There is NO logic to this.. none what so ever.
 
people have thousands of dollars invested in their guns..
It's like forking over 5,000-10,000$ or even 50,000$ of your heard earned money.... to the police.. you might as well write them a check!

man that would really suck.

Or more.. My reloading equipment would become pretty much useless and all storage, holsters, speeloaders, ammo, chronies would add up really fast....
 
If I had to guess, since M14's, like FN-FAL's, came from the factory both as semi as well as full auto flavors, the 14 fell thru the cracks .... Now the last time the CONSERVATIVES were in power, under Kim Campbell's leadership (if anything it should teach every Canadian a lesson about the dangers of having a (granted, unelected) western PM), they "sorted the whole mess out" in a way by declaring every "converted-auto" prohib .... Yeah, I'm one of those guys that trust politicians of any flavor about as much as I trust a starving, wounded, black bear whom is coming right at me .... It just HAS to be friendly, like a dog, right ??? I'm being gentle here, my opinion of the very concept of a political "party" is a whole lot less "understanding" ....

And since there was no physical difference between F/A and S/A M14's, except for adding the fun switch (which didn't come from the factory but could be added later on by anyone who felt like it and got hold of the parts), it became politically convenient to lump the whole mess into a single category ....

Lemme ask you this : Why are there 12(3) Steyr AUG's out there, but no 12(4) despite the fact that there was such a thing as a semi-auto version ?

If you'd think that 12(4)'s were pretty much all seized and destroyed, without compensation, except for a select few who'se owners went to court over the matter and won, you'd be right .... I know of some people who got their 12(3)'s "grandfathered" and got their 12(4)'s seized, putting them tens of thousands of dollars in the hole in the process ... Sometimes it just plain sucks when your shooting buddy is the local police chief so registry or not, they know you have it ...

One of my University professors said it best;
"Failure through over-analysis........"

The issue is simple; If you think you can get away with taking people's private property, you probably will. Clearly, gun owners were not as prepared, or as organized as they are today. There would certainly be a challenge in the courts for a confiscation without compensation initiative if it happened today. I still believe that there is sufficient knowledge on existing property rights (as elusive as they are) to warrant complete confiscation without compensation a difficult proposition by todays' standards.
 
To (maybe) answer T Star, I know that the HK-93 (5.56 version of the 91) was not restricted as long as the barrel was over 18.5, but I believe the 91 was restricted and the G3 was restricted as a CFA. The M14 was a semi that could be converted to full therefore not a CFA by the definition of the time. Boy, I'm glad all of those scary weapons are past their "Best Before" date, because they sure don't appear to be in the registry in the numbers that I saw. :rolleyes:
 
y'all weren't around when they seized the c/a stens back in the 90's via oic, were you-the locals came by and took , and then were sent to the rcmp testing lab- and the uzi's as well- tried to prove that they could still fire full auto using non-standard"soft" ammo- we had to get a judge to make them use 9mm standard ammo- long story short, the stens were destroyed, the uzi's not- they would have been if the rcmp was allowed to use that"special" ammo-belive what you like, but the government can and will seize private property if it suits them- and there's nothing harder to get than a c/a legally- it worked like this if i remember correctly: you got a registered letter saying you had to surrender the gun at the local police headquarters within 15 or 30 days or they would come and get it, with a seizure warrant- i don't remember if there were ramifications if they had to come out and get it, but the bottom line is you lost the gun

+1

I was around (26 Sept 1992). And when I arrived at the OPP station in Kitchener, with my Polish AKM (CA). I was informed I also needed to turn in 20rds of ammunition just in case the examiner in Toronto needed to fire the weapon.:mad: Luckily everything passed with flying colours and my AK came home without being used. Unfortunately, my SPAS-12 purchased at a gun store and since I signed the registry book at said-store, did not come home to me. :mad: I believe the offical wording of the laws at that time referred to OICs of the particular Bill, or "Orders in Council".
Next time around, I hope we all can get our butts organized and a proper legal defense mounted.
 
To (maybe) answer T Star, I know that the HK-93 (5.56 version of the 91) was not restricted as long as the barrel was over 18.5, but I believe the 91 was restricted and the G3 was restricted as a CFA. The M14 was a semi that could be converted to full therefore not a CFA by the definition of the time. Boy, I'm glad all of those scary weapons are past their "Best Before" date, because they sure don't appear to be in the registry in the numbers that I saw. :rolleyes:

yea, that's why the numbers imported and the registry match
 
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I was around (26 Sept 1992). And when I arrived at the OPP station in Kitchener, with my Polish AKM (CA). I was informed I also needed to turn in 20rds of ammunition just in case the examiner in Toronto needed to fire the weapon.:mad: Luckily everything passed with flying colours and my AK came home without being used. Unfortunately, my SPAS-12 purchased at a gun store and since I signed the registry book at said-store, did not come home to me. :mad: I believe the offical wording of the laws at that time referred to OICs of the particular Bill, or "Orders in Council".
Next time around, I hope we all can get our butts organized and a proper legal defense mounted.
those orders in council were just a "back door" to get around parliament; you went to bed a free man and woke up a criminal- dave tomlinson/ray laycock, and the rest of us tried to mount the best defense we could, but the organization numbers were'nt there and nobody else gave a dam anyway- the numbers on this board alone far and away exceed the total membership at the time- and if harper wanted to, he could rescind those same orders by the same process- or twilight them-that's what happened to the "assualt gun ban " in the states
 
The irony of a gun ban is that it will simply create new forms of crime. Banning handguns won't do much to reduce the demand, and so many current law-abiding gun owners will seek to illegally purchase guns that have been smuggled into the country. The concept is known as cross-deterence: the government passes a law to reduce one kind of crime (i.e. shootings on the streets of gang-tario cities), and instead inadvertantly creates or increases another form of crime (i.e. smuggling and the purchase of illegal firearms).

If every single person who owns a gun refuses to relinquish it (if and when they are banned), then we'll all keep our guns. If the majority simply ##### and complain, and then turn them in when the time comes, then the few holdouts who refuse will be prosecuted, criminalized, and will lose their guns anyway.
 
DO NOT TURN IN YOUR GUNS NO MATTER WHAT.

I could see how some people may, at worst, bury them somewhere not on your property.
 
DO NOT TURN IN YOUR GUNS NO MATTER WHAT.

I could see how some people may, at worst, bury them somewhere not on your property.

that's far easier said than done- and there are far more nosy nellies than there used to be- even in the high country
 
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