I figured as much, but the fact it was shipped to a customer is... unfortunate.
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I figured as much, but the fact it was shipped to a customer is... unfortunate.
mossburg sent me some bad parts... three times in a row... had to fix them myself FFS
S&W took 10 months to get me spare mags, and even told me they were gonna cancel my order cause it wasnt worth it, long story short I did the customs legwork and sent some nice letters to management, and bam mags were in the mail.
my BNIB norinco ar came with loose nutz, non functioning irons, loose fit on many parts but is generally a great gun for 700$
so far the stuff I have got from NEA has been good product at a good price with great customer service,
S&W took 10 months to get me spare mags, and even told me they were gonna cancel my order cause it wasnt worth it, long story short I did the customs legwork and sent some nice letters to management, and bam mags were in the mail.
my BNIB norinco ar came with loose nutz, non functioning irons, loose fit on many parts but is generally a great gun for 700$
so far the stuff I have got from NEA has been good product at a good price with great customer service,
I think there are a ton of companies conducting this kind of practice without our awareness and in many forms. Remember this in the internet and information can be falsely created with only a few strokes of the keys. Unfortunately pictures speak 1000 words and QC is always an issue with every new product, and as mentioned it is how a company treats there customers when issues present themselves that matters. Some customers are more difficult to please than others but they should always try to be pleased with thier purchase reguardless if it a $5 or $5000 purchase, as this generates repeat dealings and free advertising.
I personally would love to see something like the AR style lowered SA upper made exclusively in CANADA from NEA, or something "similar" to an FN without ending up on the restricted/prohib lists and be out in the bush hunting with it.
I personally would love to see something like the AR style lowered SA upper made exclusively in CANADA from NEA, or something "similar" to an FN without ending up on the restricted/prohib lists and be out in the bush hunting with it.
Kevin B,
Your post has me concerned. I have read it multiple times to see if I missed something but no, I didn't.
What is the reason for your post? Is it for anything more than stirring the pot?
Now I question your integrity. Your post is read BY ME as nothing but a cheap shot at an already s**tty situation. Congratulations!
I have no affiliation with any of you, and frankly, care not to. (voting with MY wallet)
Paul (9x19p)
Your post has me concerned. I have read it multiple times to see if I missed something but no, I didn't.
What is the reason for your post? Is it for anything more than stirring the pot?
Now I question your integrity. Your post is read BY ME as nothing but a cheap shot at an already s**tty situation. Congratulations!
I have no affiliation with any of you, and frankly, care not to. (voting with MY wallet)
Paul (9x19p)
JimboJones
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Sapper043 is right.
This is nothing new. In fact it is the oldest form of marketing. The whole profession was born from shills. They eventually upgraded the name to "testimonial" after people started to get wise. It's still out there in all adds, movies, TV shows, and professional sports (they're the worst offenders by far.)
If anybody thinks that the internet is some kind of free unbiased information supository free from this, you took the wrong pill. It is by an order of magnitude, far worse. At least the other media still have some filters in place, for now. (IE: Standards and practices.) However the new media has helped shift "the rules" there to, and they just don't mean as much any more.
Trust the opinions of those you respect and know. Research those you are not sure about. Forums do have tools for that. How many of you check the post record of someone you think is trolling? You should be doing the same for a glowing testimonial or a scathing review. Most rational people do not deal in absolutes unless they have an axe to grind or favour to win... (read: agenda)
I am growing tired of this...
Ask him about the current state of affairs between his sole Canadian distributer and NEA...
I don't know. Maybe he is genuinely disgusted, but what did I just say about dealing in absolutes...
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I've mentioned this before, but might as well say it again...
I received one of the very first NEA ARs from SFRC. I had a problem with the gas port, and it essentially was a bolt action.
I emailed Dave, and had a new upper in about 3 days, with a bonus hybrid brake and tac latch thrown in for my trouble. (which, for me, wasn't much trouble because it was really between seasons for me, and my AR sat unfired for a month before I could even try it)
He gave me some tips on how to reduce the trigger weight after I asked him about it (after I received my new upper) and offered to send me new springs. I decided to order the JP reduced power springs from Brownells.
I tried my AR with the new upper before the springs came in, and it ran fine, but I really hated the trigger. I still think it's a little gritty and a little long on the take up, but will keep it as is until I have 5 or 6 hundred rounds through it at least.
I tricked it out a bit with some Magpul goodies off the EE, and ran a few hundred+ rounds through it on the weekend without a single failure of any kind. I dig it. There was a CF guy that asked about it, so I let him burn a mag through. I can't recall what kind of AR he said it was, but it was one of the higher end ones, and he was impressed. I think Unregistered and flipincanadian were both happy with the way it ran for them as well, and might be on the list for one too. My gas key is perfectly staked, and all is well.
I think this drama with the shill account is unfortunate, and was probably some poor judgement, but it won't phase me. I think they are still a great value for the money, and the peace of mind of the lifetime warranty and great customer service will keep me happy.
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I am an AR noob, not associated with anyone in the gun industry. I am, however, in sales, and make my living by providing good customer service. So, I can both recognize, and appreciate it when my expectations are met or exceeded.
I received one of the very first NEA ARs from SFRC. I had a problem with the gas port, and it essentially was a bolt action.
I emailed Dave, and had a new upper in about 3 days, with a bonus hybrid brake and tac latch thrown in for my trouble. (which, for me, wasn't much trouble because it was really between seasons for me, and my AR sat unfired for a month before I could even try it)
He gave me some tips on how to reduce the trigger weight after I asked him about it (after I received my new upper) and offered to send me new springs. I decided to order the JP reduced power springs from Brownells.
I tried my AR with the new upper before the springs came in, and it ran fine, but I really hated the trigger. I still think it's a little gritty and a little long on the take up, but will keep it as is until I have 5 or 6 hundred rounds through it at least.
I tricked it out a bit with some Magpul goodies off the EE, and ran a few hundred+ rounds through it on the weekend without a single failure of any kind. I dig it. There was a CF guy that asked about it, so I let him burn a mag through. I can't recall what kind of AR he said it was, but it was one of the higher end ones, and he was impressed. I think Unregistered and flipincanadian were both happy with the way it ran for them as well, and might be on the list for one too. My gas key is perfectly staked, and all is well.
I think this drama with the shill account is unfortunate, and was probably some poor judgement, but it won't phase me. I think they are still a great value for the money, and the peace of mind of the lifetime warranty and great customer service will keep me happy.
Disclaimer:
I am an AR noob, not associated with anyone in the gun industry. I am, however, in sales, and make my living by providing good customer service. So, I can both recognize, and appreciate it when my expectations are met or exceeded.
Shilling?
I am not a hardcore shooter but you can hardly shill me. I am a mechanical engineer and I know enough in metal machining process etc to tell what is good and bad, what is true, what is BS, as well as what I am going to buy or not.
I think we have had enough about shilling in CGN recently.
Let the people claim down, think and decide what and who they want to listen and what they want to buy.
I am not a hardcore shooter but you can hardly shill me. I am a mechanical engineer and I know enough in metal machining process etc to tell what is good and bad, what is true, what is BS, as well as what I am going to buy or not.
I think we have had enough about shilling in CGN recently.
Let the people claim down, think and decide what and who they want to listen and what they want to buy.
Runningfool
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Easy, easy there. Keep reading the rest of the thread (see post #85). You will see that Kevin later apologized to Dave for his post and explained that in his travel-weary state his frustration was perhaps misdirected.
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SO....
My buddy buys a new KAC lower, after shipping and taxes, it was over $1200.00 (just for a "complete" lower). Okay, fine, buying a "top of the line" rig, you get what you pay for. You would think the Knights would be sweet, right? Well, beyond the finish, it was okay, clean, no tooling marks etc...
The bolt stop was so loose that it would not hold open on an empty mag. The ambi safety worked 50% of the time and had to be removed. There was metal shavings blocking the pin and spring. So after taking the New, "high-end" KAC apart and fixing several simple problems, that their QC should have caught, and didn't, My buddy finally has a working AR.
Is this the end of the world? NO, but none the less KAC should have never allowed such a product leave the factory. Even the "big" boys have there bad days.
NEA is having some growing pains, this is obvious and expected. However, they at least have the balls to bring a product to market. To at least try and provide a quality product and (most importantly) for a fair and decent price. ANY problems that their guns had they were more then happy to fix (for free). My hat goes off to them. Every since they launched, People have been very fast to "slander" and "bash" them. I'd suggest that if YOU can do better, then lets see what you've got.
I don't blame them for the "fake" account, or whatever. They were getting attacked daily on CGN. Just imagine every mistake, growing pain you have, is posted on the internet??
NEA is alright by me. Keep up the good work boys!!
My buddy buys a new KAC lower, after shipping and taxes, it was over $1200.00 (just for a "complete" lower). Okay, fine, buying a "top of the line" rig, you get what you pay for. You would think the Knights would be sweet, right? Well, beyond the finish, it was okay, clean, no tooling marks etc...
The bolt stop was so loose that it would not hold open on an empty mag. The ambi safety worked 50% of the time and had to be removed. There was metal shavings blocking the pin and spring. So after taking the New, "high-end" KAC apart and fixing several simple problems, that their QC should have caught, and didn't, My buddy finally has a working AR.
Is this the end of the world? NO, but none the less KAC should have never allowed such a product leave the factory. Even the "big" boys have there bad days.
NEA is having some growing pains, this is obvious and expected. However, they at least have the balls to bring a product to market. To at least try and provide a quality product and (most importantly) for a fair and decent price. ANY problems that their guns had they were more then happy to fix (for free). My hat goes off to them. Every since they launched, People have been very fast to "slander" and "bash" them. I'd suggest that if YOU can do better, then lets see what you've got.
I don't blame them for the "fake" account, or whatever. They were getting attacked daily on CGN. Just imagine every mistake, growing pain you have, is posted on the internet??
NEA is alright by me. Keep up the good work boys!!
For those that do not know what "shilling" is:
In online discussion media, satisfied consumers or "innocent" parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group. In academia, this is called opinion spamming
I had a good idea after 12 pages but still Googled it.
I just don't like the big pinch bolts on the railed forearm grip. Still might buy one though
In online discussion media, satisfied consumers or "innocent" parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group. In academia, this is called opinion spamming
I had a good idea after 12 pages but still Googled it.
I just don't like the big pinch bolts on the railed forearm grip. Still might buy one though
Farmboy, BBB, NEA, KevinB and AGW I would like to request that this train wreck of a thread be locked EDIT. As we are the only dealers/industry professionals who have posted here, if we all agree I'm sure it can be done. This thread was started and continued by a lack of sleep and late night posting. I'm sure most people wouldn't have an issue with it should be all agree...what do you say?
Ryan
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I have no idea why this thread even started, or why you posted in it, but like you said lack of sleep, i understand that one.
i say lock it, dont delete it, even with all the editing of posts its still worth reading.
To many posts have been deleted on to many threads this last week.
lets just be done with all of this and get back to, the normal #####ing we like to do, Lib,s mag caps, and the stupid firearms laws!!!
I wasn't aware that sponsors and industry experts had the power to decide what the rest of the CGN member should read, see, and comment on.
and I agree that we all need to move on here but almost all the threads here have already been deleted by the mods to erase the past few days. these things ( good and bad) need to be heard and discussed... how about we stop trying to erase it all?
Hey hey, don't be like that I was only suggesting because its pretty much run its course. Besides, I think any thread can be locked/deleted if the OP requests it....just pointing that part out as a general comment...I think thats the case.
Ryan
I was only suggesting because its pretty much run its course. Besides, I think any thread can be locked/deleted if the OP requests it....just pointing that part out as a general comment...I think thats the case.Ryan
This NEA crap is out of control. What a clusterf**k.
I'd sooner deal with NEA than deal with many of the members intentionally trying to do them harm.
If threads like this keep up, we'll all be doing the backstroke soon enough.
Kevin, I'm sure as hell shocked you started this thread in the way you did. Your apology ... too little, too late. All I got from your opening post is a bunch of clucking about being employed by KAC and in Texas with a cackle of high profile industry wigs. Who cares.
Oh wait, are you hinting that you could be mentioning this mess to those 60 folk you're acquainted with and do further damage to NEA.
What integrity do you have as a representative of Knight's Armament by posting a damaging thread directed at another of the very same industry you represent? Do you even own any NEA products to comment on?
I'm not a shill and I vote with my wallet.
I'd sooner deal with NEA than deal with many of the members intentionally trying to do them harm.
If threads like this keep up, we'll all be doing the backstroke soon enough.
Kevin, I'm sure as hell shocked you started this thread in the way you did. Your apology ... too little, too late. All I got from your opening post is a bunch of clucking about being employed by KAC and in Texas with a cackle of high profile industry wigs. Who cares.
Oh wait, are you hinting that you could be mentioning this mess to those 60 folk you're acquainted with and do further damage to NEA.
What integrity do you have as a representative of Knight's Armament by posting a damaging thread directed at another of the very same industry you represent? Do you even own any NEA products to comment on?
I'm not a shill and I vote with my wallet.
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