Black Rifles and their classifications
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yeah i want to try and get one single post with all the info, and i want res and non res I'll try to suck all the info out of that post, but i think a single clear concise place to look would be handy (as the search on this site has never actually helped me find anything )
second link is just a copy and paste of the RCMP site i just want a simple list of whats actually available, that only lists firearms restricted by name for instance the SCAR 16S isn't listed it would be restricted due to its barrel length, I dont want rebarrels listed etc just what the factory gun is and what its classification is (if you rebarrel a restricted you still needed an R-PAL to aquire it in the first place)
While I commend the effort, judging by your recent posts I don't think you are the person who should be creating this list. This is based solely on my observation that you lack the knowledge of current firearms and laws in Canada, and is not based on you as a person. For this reason, don't get butt hurt about my comment.
You already have errors. The only truly restricted black rifle is the AR15. Everything else is classed based on barrel length. For this reason, the SCAR can be non-restricted if one re-barrels it. Perhaps make a note on those rifles highlighting this.
Also, the FS2000 is restricted unless re-barreled. The Swiss Arms series is available restricted. You've left out the following rifles: SL8, AR180B, M96, and probably others.
As well, in the thread title, you have used "there" when you should have used "their". "There" pertains to location, "their" is possessive.
You already have errors. The only truly restricted black rifle is the AR15. Everything else is classed based on barrel length. For this reason, the SCAR can be non-restricted if one re-barrels it. Perhaps make a note on those rifles highlighting this.
Also, the FS2000 is restricted unless re-barreled. The Swiss Arms series is available restricted. You've left out the following rifles: SL8, AR180B, M96, and probably others.
As well, in the thread title, you have used "there" when you should have used "their". "There" pertains to location, "their" is possessive.
No offence taken, I openly admit i haven't got a clue about all this, hence my call for help and request for people to post things i miss, i simply want to take the information and provide a post with a clear list available and I will certainly bow to the wisdom of others
if someone else wants to try and create a post like this go nuts, but so far all i've found is links to the RCMP site, and a lot of REALLY long threads with a small amount of info distributed over about 100 posts.
and hey if a mod wants to delete my post so be it, i will endeavor to make corrections quickly
if someone else wants to try and create a post like this go nuts, but so far all i've found is links to the RCMP site, and a lot of REALLY long threads with a small amount of info distributed over about 100 posts.
and hey if a mod wants to delete my post so be it, i will endeavor to make corrections quickly
blaxsun
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Armedsask said:
The SCAR is still awaiting classification, although we're all hoping it's classified based on barrel length. The ACR is under review. There's a ton of guns not on this list: PS90 (restricted and non-restricted), CX4 Storm (ditto), Keltec RFB (non-restricted), aforementioned ACR (restricted at the moment), Tavor (restricted and non-restricted), etc. There's also the G36C, G36K (both restricted), G36P (non-restricted), MP7A1 (restricted if it counts), SAN CQB/Carbine (both restricted). The list goes on...
If this list of yours works out I can see it being useful to those new to 'black' rifles. Its a list - you don't have to be a guru to make a list (so long as you ammend it as needed to avoid giving out wrong information to those who don't know better) - so I will cut him some slack in that department...
That being said, you lose points for forgetting my current favorite rifle, the RFB (non-restricted). I mentioned this to you about 1.5 hours before you started this thread in the other thread you started - the one where you learned that you could get an FS2000 in Canada. Actually that was in the same post, so I take back that slack I gave you
Be sure to also add the M14! I will let someone else decide if the Mini 14 or SKS should make it on the list. All 3 of these are non-restricted.
That being said, you lose points for forgetting my current favorite rifle, the RFB (non-restricted). I mentioned this to you about 1.5 hours before you started this thread in the other thread you started - the one where you learned that you could get an FS2000 in Canada. Actually that was in the same post, so I take back that slack I gave you
Be sure to also add the M14! I will let someone else decide if the Mini 14 or SKS should make it on the list. All 3 of these are non-restricted.
I know i got cut off by family activities so i had to leave a lot out.
I think its off to a decent start more to come tomorrow, just got home much time on airplane, sleepy
oh the m14, and sks i wasn't sure about they live in the main battle rifles, and red rifles forum respectively so i figured they can stay there
I think its off to a decent start more to come tomorrow, just got home much time on airplane, sleepy
oh the m14, and sks i wasn't sure about they live in the main battle rifles, and red rifles forum respectively so i figured they can stay there
MP7A1 seems more pistol to me, someone else make that call, the G36's are H&K ? i thought those were all prohibs
I can't find anything other than airsoft crap when i look up the SAN CQB/Carbine so any info would be great sleeep time for real now will check back tomorrow
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Your not wrong. Its non restricted.
oh the m14, and sks i wasn't sure about they live in the main battle rifles, and red rifles forum respectively so i figured they can stay there
In terms of which area of CGN they are discussed in - yes you are correct, but I thought they fit in well with the theme of the list you are creating. Of course by that logic the CZ 858 should be removed from your list since it is also discussed in the "Red Rifles" section. Feel free to disagree.
And, the RFB is indeed in Canada, just not in great numbers yet - but more are on their way.
Actually it was given an FRT # and classified as Restricted based on barrel length. Then when Bushmaster issued their recall (firing pin and spring issue caused some guns to apparently "go full-auto") the RCMP froze the FRT # and started a "review" of the gun's classification.
That is where it's at right now... awaiting completion of their "review" and for the FRT# to again be usable.
Mark
I'm surprised that no one pointed out the irony in the fact that he omitted the M14 but put the Mini-14 on the list. The Mini-14 is just a scaled down M-14... and it's a hunk of s**t.
Anyway, I think you should list the M14, CZ-858, Mini-14 (I guess) and anything else that looks cool but I think having a removable magazine should be a requirement for the list (which eliminates most SKSs aside from the SKS-D). Also, being designed post 1950 would be a good criterion (again, eliminating the SKS).
If you want to get this list stickied, which would be good if it's complete, you should link the name of the firearm to to wikipedia and/or worldguns
Oh, and if it's restricted by bbl length, just add it to both lists (and then add an asterisk if you like)
Anyway, I think you should list the M14, CZ-858, Mini-14 (I guess) and anything else that looks cool but I think having a removable magazine should be a requirement for the list (which eliminates most SKSs aside from the SKS-D). Also, being designed post 1950 would be a good criterion (again, eliminating the SKS).
If you want to get this list stickied, which would be good if it's complete, you should link the name of the firearm to to wikipedia and/or worldguns
Oh, and if it's restricted by bbl length, just add it to both lists (and then add an asterisk if you like)
I stated in an earlier post this list is based on the categories of this forum, m-14 goes in main battle rifles and CZ-858 goes in red rifles. both the m-14 and cz-858 have been mentioned previously in this thread.
if its restricted from the manufacturer in its standard configuration i am listing it as restricted, because you would need an RPAL to buy it new but put an asterisk to show you can get it un-restricted. in situations where you can get a restricted or non restricted directly from the manufacturer i have noted it in parentheses.
I chose to link to the manufacturers site over wikipedia. Generally if you google any gun name wikipedia comes up first in the list, sometimes the manufacturers page takes a bit more digging.
And while i'm posting anyway, an anyone think of anything else i missed on this list for Black rifles?
I will definitely include chinese copies, the only chinese black rifle i am aware of is the Norinco Type 97 which is currently in a messed up situation so I'm waiting until thats resolved to list it (unless it remains prohibited in the end in which case it wont be listed)
Are there any other chinese copies that I failed to list?
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