Blackpowder gun of the day, week?

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Now black powder nutz can show Nester how sick they really are. Anybody willing or interested in participating in a Blackpowder Gun of the Week - post a picture of some of the older representive BP firearms with a short blurb about what it is ? It would introduce people to the older firearms, giving them some idea of what they are and what they look like...Any takers...?
 
You're On, Skip!

Here's my submission in the "stick-with-traditional, and stay-away-from those-godawful-inline-abortions" category ....

This is a .50 cal. Dixie Gun Works Tennessee Mountain Rifle - don't think they even offer it any more, but it is a very plain, functional firearm in the "poorboy" style of the Southern Mountains, as contrasted with the ornate "Pennsylvania/Kentucky" style. Very functional and accurate, and the beauty of it is that, utilizing the "drum and nipple" method by which many original flintlock rifles were updated into percussion rifles, this one is both a flintlock and caplock! I have both the flint lock and the percussion lock, and it converts back and forth! Accurate, and with a very quick lock time in flintlock mode....

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Rattlesnake Jack:

My brother in Redcliff is always looking for guys for group purchases of genuine black powder with. He says he has a hell of a time finding Goex, Elephant, or anything else. Understand there is a bunch of guys around Lethbridge who make bulk purchases.

He shoots mostly BPCR, although he has a couple of muzzlestuffers. If you get together for bulk purchases, PM me...
 
Rick said:
......My brother in Redcliff ...
Rick:

Who is your brother? If he shoots BP I may know him!

Mind you, since progressing into Cowboy Action I haven't shot much BP at all - still have a fairly good supply of Goex on hand from before, so I won't be needing to buy any for a while ...
 
Skip said:
Ok, I keep running into the term - what is a "swamped" barrel, and do I care?

A swamped barrel is one that has had a lot of the material removed in the center. It's hard to explain, but picture a long thin rod held at both ends. It has a "wow" or a curve in it. Well, a swamped barrel has this look.

All it does is make the barrel lighter but it gives the barrel a really neat looking sway to it as well. Usually a rifle with a swamped barrel is more costly due to the extra work involved.

I hope I've explained it so it's understandable.
 
Matchlock said:
Skip said:
Ok, I keep running into the term - what is a "swamped" barrel, and do I care?

A swamped barrel is one that has had a lot of the material removed in the center. It's hard to explain, but picture a long thin rod held at both ends. It has a "wow" or a curve in it. Well, a swamped barrel has this look.

All it does is make the barrel lighter but it gives the barrel a really neat looking sway to it as well. Usually a rifle with a swamped barrel is more costly due to the extra work involved.

I hope I've explained it so it's understandable.

And this benefits the shooting qualities, how? Just lighten the weight?
 
Skip said:
Matchlock said:
Skip said:
Ok, I keep running into the term - what is a "swamped" barrel, and do I care?

A swamped barrel is one that has had a lot of the material removed in the center. It's hard to explain, but picture a long thin rod held at both ends. It has a "wow" or a curve in it. Well, a swamped barrel has this look.

All it does is make the barrel lighter but it gives the barrel a really neat looking sway to it as well. Usually a rifle with a swamped barrel is more costly due to the extra work involved.

I hope I've explained it so it's understandable.

And this benefits the shooting qualities, how? Just lighten the weight?

Well, in fact, it doesn't just reduce the weight, but also brings the weight of the rifle closer to the body since so much of the barrel material is removed. This is itself helps accuracy, so I guess it is indeed a real benefit.
 
A Swamped barrel is an octagon barrel which tapers in a special way.
Starting at the breech, it is large and it tapers down as you look further forward. About 12-15 inches from the muzzle it becomes a straight octagon for a few inches.
About 5-10 inches from the muzzle it starts to get larger and continues getting bigger until it reaches the muzzle.

A Colerain barrel for example starts out at the breech measuring 1.062, 11 inches forward it has been reduced to .862, at 25 inches from the breech it measures .772, at 33 inches from the breech it measures .772, at 38 inches (at the muzzle)it measures .957.

I believe the name came from the similarity to a drained swamp where one bank is higher than the other with the low area between them.

I have heard a number of theories about the reason for this shape. The one I like best is that this is a good way to get a lot of weight out of the barrel and still leave the breech strong to withstand the powder burning.
Some of the barrels were forged with this taper built in (rather than filed into it later) and this would have been a practical way of using less material in an age where iron wasn't as available as it is now.

As for why the shape starts getting larger as it approachs the muzzle, some say it's to keep the barrel from being "muzzle light".

I think it had more to do with the quality of the welds produced with the hammer/anvel method of welding which the barrel makers used at the time.
IMO, by leaving more material at the muzzle, they increased the chanch of having a good weld joint (measured from the bore outward to the outside of the barrel). More weld joint length increased the likelyhood that some "good weld" was present.

Barrels of this design were very popular in the 1700s, but in the 1800s many builders changed to the straight octagon for their new guns.
 
nessy357:
guess you didn't notice but all your rifles were posted in reverse image. :wink:
looks like all your locks are on the wrong side. maybe it's cuz your on the other side of the rockies. :lol:
 
:lol: :D
Geez I never noticed that,except when i shoot my Robinson,It's on the wrong side,it'll have to do until i can get one for the "right" side, or move to Alberta.
 
ok you know i'm a robinson freak so i "gots ta know"
whachagot?
i'm thinking if i REALLY want a robby flinter, when i have the time i should float around prince george and kamloops. that's where he made them - but ya probably knew that.
 
Me and my and my son have #90 & 92,just bought #172 for my other son who is coming to Heffley for first time. They are all 2 pin Hawkens.Taylor Sapergia will be there also He was an apprentice when mine were built,I'll keep my eyes open in case I see one.
How about posting a pic of yours,I don't think I've ever seen one.
 
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