Boer War Collector's thread........

BadgerDog said:
Beautiful pieces lastmag ! I wish my Boer Mauser was clearly named like that. Have you ever researched C.P.PRETORIUS to see if you can find history on him?

Besides the CMI (Canadian Military Institute) museum mark, it's only got some odd "notch like" marks on the right side of the butt wrist. I'm not sure if they were a crude attempt of the owner to carve his name (since buffed or worn down), some kind of score keeping, or simply an artifact of naturally rubbing up against something (maybe a ring on his right hand from holding a shooting position). Any guesses from folks here?


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Regards,
Badger

Very nice Badger! Could those marks have been made by the rifle rubbing on a saddle or something while being carried in a rifle bucket? (Scabbard)
Until recently I had a very nice group to a fellow who served in SA with the Argylls and then joined the 102nd Bn. CEF during WW1.
I found medal collecting to be even more of a black hole for money than gun collecting and sold off all of my groups. Can't collect everything!:(
 
ahh yess, my time to shine. bought this beauty from a forum member, still have to learn how to reload for it:D It is a Ludwig Loewe. Very good condition:
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apparently, this puppy was used by an Irish volunteer, who went to SA to help out in the fight against the Brits. Also, after the war he took the rifle with him, and used it in the Irish war of independence. His initials were TLB. I have tried to track him down, but I have had little luck so far. Even at the Anglo Boer museum in Bloemfontein, SA has no info on the Irish volunteers.

Boer Seun, hou maar aan soek! I got mine at a steal of a deal, under 400$, and it is very nice.

edit: Boerseun, when I was in Bloemfontein earlier last year, the gun shop had a Cavalry Carbine!!@!!, for 1200 rands. THats +- 200$ canadian! There was also a ZAR marked MARTINI! God I was so pissed. It is now near impossible to get anyfirearms out of the country.
 
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Hey anyone got that book Small arms of the anglo bore war by bester its like $165 and i just wanted a few pics photocopyed of the Webley pryse type revolvers and that info.
I wasnt going to pay that kind of money for a few pics but would pay for copys of the webley or rigby pryse private officers revolver pics and info outa that book :D Anyone????
Heres my Rigby pryse revolver 455 caliber, dont think it was in the bore war but its sure a nice british Antique revolver
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Hey Old Son....being half a Dutchman mylf...anytime you,re out here in Rural Ontario...Drop me A line and we'll head out to the 350 yd Range,grab a box of 7mm and try out the "Pretorius Rifle " and the Mk 1 Lee Enfield......Kind of a Boer War Tribute Shoot....even have the bandoliers and headgear!!!
John Denner had a couple of Boer bandoliers a year or so ago that he showed me....Drop him a line at his website...he's a big Boer war guy....It won't be cheap but he turns the stuff up!!
Will do thanks, ther has been a couple of Boer & Brit shoots in SA at the hunters association lots of fun.
Boer Seun, hou maar aan soek! I got mine at a steal of a deal, under 400$, and it is very nice.

edit: Boerseun, when I was in Bloemfontein earlier last year, the gun shop had a Cavalry Carbine!!@!!, for 1200 rands. THats +- 200$ canadian! There was also a ZAR marked MARTINI! God I was so pissed. It is now near impossible to get anyfirearms out of the country.
I know I am trying to get some of my guns out of there!
 
f_soldaten04 said:
ahh yess, my time to shine. bought this beauty from a forum member, still have to learn how to reload for it:D It is a Ludwig Loewe. Very good condition:.........

That is a gorgeous piece partner .... congratulations... good find..... :)

Put me on the list if you ever want to give her a new home ..... ;)

Regards,
Badger
 
leftent said:
Very nice Badger! Could those marks have been made by the rifle rubbing on a saddle or something while being carried in a rifle bucket? (Scabbard)

That's possible my friend ........ :)

It's definitely not a natural wood marking, but what caused it may be lost to time. It's fun to dream and hypothesize about it.... :D

I did the same thing as you in medals. The groups I posted here, plus a "Waterloo" medal to a man who charged with the Inniskilling Dragoons on that day in 1815, are all I have left. I used to heavily collect Victorian military medals back in the late sixties and early seventies, involving material revolving around British military campaigns such as the "Charge of the Light Brigade, Battle of Waterloo etc. These medals were named (impressed stamped) on the rims with the soldier's name and unit. The value of the medal was often dependent upon the unit they belonged to and their rank. Over a period of a few years as the selling prices began to rise dramatically, more and more fakery started to creep into the hobby, to the point that it was very difficult to trust the authenticity of any item, except by examining the provenance in great detail. I noticed on eBay the other day, someone who sells modem reproductions of India Mutiny medals "already aged" with a patina to make them virtually indistinguishable from the 1857 true pieces.

In my opinion, I see the collecting of these old milsurps following exactly the same pattern. Much of the high quality material has already been acquired by older collectors, particularly in the U.S. where German Mausers are a good example. We're now seeing a lot more of them being "created" from parts in basements, stuck on gun tables and being offered as "all original" vet bring backs. Fake Waffenamt code stamps have been prevalent for a few years (or more) now. So, I think it's just a matter of time until this same trend works it's way into the British and U.S. markings of milsurps, particularly as their prices rise to the levels of the German items, thereby making fakery for profit more lucrative. At the last gun show I went to, I saw at least two clear examples of fakes (one Longbranch) being passed off as "all original". I've also seen several questionable examples advertised on CGN, which makes it even more difficult to judge simply from pics, unless one is offered the CGN a 3 day evaluation and return option.

The old adage "Caveat Emptor" applies but, I also think there's strength in community. By that I mean, this CGN community is full if experts in various types of firearms, who unselfishly share their knowledge with "newbies' all the time. I know that I have on many occasions sent pics of items to CGN members that I was considering buying, who had a much better working knowledge and experience on a specific genre than I possess. By doing so, I was helping to potentially avoid getting caught with a fake that might have fooled me during the beginning stages of my collecting. I've never found anyone here who refused to spend a few minutes and give me their educated and considered private opinion on some item being offered for sale.

Regards,
Badger
 
Boer War Tribute Shoot....even have the bandoliers and headgear!!!
Being a Boer I of course have the head gear and clothes, just need the damn rifle!! Will show you why the khaki's got Boers to come train them in shooting when WWI broke out :D
 
Boer seun said:
Being a Boer I of course have the head gear and clothes, just need the damn rifle!! Will show you why the khaki's got Boers to come train them in shooting when WWI broke out :D
I,ll bet you could,my Boer Friend.....I remember the Paardeberg Dinners we had at our Regiment,,..although a big day for the regiment,the Dutch side of me always secretly thought the British,a bunch of expansionist Bastards for engaging the Boer States....an internal struggle that never will be settled or reconciled in my brain.
 
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the Dutch side of me always secretly thought the British,a bunch of expansionist Bastards for egaging the Boer States....an internal struggle that never be settled or reconciled in my brain.
The Bastards were only after our gold!
We sure gave 'em a licking. lol
 
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Boer seun said:
Being a Boer I of course have the head gear and clothes, just need the damn rifle!! Will show you why the khaki's got Boers to come train them in shooting when WWI broke out :D

hey, boer seun, where did you get the kit?!! Did you just slap together some khakis? seriously, i want some leather clothes and a bandolier.
 
f_soldaten04 said:
hey, boer seun, where did you get the kit?!! Did you just slap together some khakis? seriously, i want some leather clothes and a bandolier.


That would make for an entertaining Saturday night!;)
 
hey, boer seun, where did you get the kit?!! Did you just slap together some khakis? seriously, i want some leather clothes and a bandolier
No Bandoleer but hell Khaki shirt and trousers and a Leather "Boer-hat"
Louis Botha here fights in style
Louis Botha was a traitor, when WW1 broke out he was the first to go after the "rebels" made Boer shoot Boer, just not cricket. Oh and he an Jan Smuts were the ones that gave up in the war against england, when most of the other generals wanted to keep on fighting I think they did this for personal political gain.
Louis Botha commited suicide during or just after the great war, many claim that it was because of a guilty consions...could well be
 
I am thinking now there is a couple of Boers here in Stoon Maybe we should host a Boer and Brit shoot here, The Canadians can play the Tommies, and we'd be the Rock - spiders. How's "Veld-kornet Boer Seun" sound to you F_soldaten?
 
what you say is true boer seun. but there was undoubtedly a lot of pressure on old Botha. Many boers believed the faster they gave up, the faster the women and children could get out of the concentration camps(even I lost familiy there:mad: ) He was a moderate after ww1, and believed the allies would only further anger the germans by taking all the reparations, but they didnt listen to him! To many I think he is still a hero, and i think he was buried at a womens cemetery, because he fought to free them. But that said, im pretty sure us boers couldve helped the Gerries a bit more, and kicked the brits out of Africa if only we all stuck togethere against the brits;) But quiet, we must not speak of such things here:D
 
, and kicked the brits out of Africa if only we all stuck togethere against the brits
Never in our history have we been able to stand togeter (and my footnote on this says ex unitate vires) me and you being in this country (wonder ful place too) is prove of that.
We couldn't stand together in "Die groot trek", Pretorius vs Potgieter that almost led to blood shed, Both wars with the Brits (joiners and hensoppers) WW1, WW2 (Ossewa Branwag) Korea was the only war we fought that I do not know of any trouble. Then SWA/Angola we couldn't stand toghter and just after that the ANC. With even Pik Botha someone who I use to have great respect for walking over to the ANC bastards. We Canadian-Boere better stand together!!!
 
hier is n' grap:
Hoekom word n' Brit n' soutpiel genoem?
want sy een voet sit in Londen, en sy ander in Kaapstad, en sy piel hang in die see!

Btw, it is an afrikaner joke
directly tranlated it would be:
why is a Brit called a salt-#####?
because his one foot sits in London, and his other in Capetown, so his wang hangs in the sea :D sorry brits, I have nothing against you, just thought Id share some Boer humor :D

Well said boer seun! But I think what the problem is that from the outset us Boers were very independent self-righteous, and somewhat arrogant. it is our nature that makes us split up. we are a hard headed bunch, thats for sure! But when we do stand together, we are very strong indeed! But I find that even here in Canada, most afrikaners are somewhat "ashamed" of their heritage. I mean, even in SA, i found that many afrikaners in higher social groups thought it to be "unsophisticated" to speak afrikaans! You wouldnt belive how many times ive seen that!! well, ek hoop om een dag terug na die vaderland te gaan, maar met die k***ers in bewind, sal dit maar moeilik wees! slegte ding is my hele familie sit nog daar, en n' mens wonder maar wat van die plek gaan word:(
 
we are a hard headed bunch, thats for sure!
Gets me in trouble all the time :D
But I find that even here in Canada, most afrikaners are somewhat "ashamed" of their heritage. I mean, even in SA, i found that many afrikaners in higher social groups thought it to be "unsophisticated" to speak afrikaans!
I can tell you why too, the ANC has brainwashed them, think about it every cultural thing we held dear to us has been taken away from us, and they come up with these ridiculas Ideas about us pretending that we are a back-wards bunch of hillbillies, meanwhile we did the first heart transplant in the world for sucks-fake! I would love to go back oneday not that I do not like Canada it's a great place and the people are good folks too, but SA wil always be home.
Ons sal nog eendag die moerre daar gaan uit gooi in die see in dis nou as die Boere saam sal beginne staan! Hulle is die hoof rede hoekom ek gewaai het! Niks met geld of wat ook al te doen nie.
 
Boer seun said:
I am thinking now there is a couple of Boers here in Stoon Maybe we should host a Boer and Brit shoot here, The Canadians can play the Tommies, and we'd be the Rock - spiders. How's "Veld-kornet Boer Seun" sound to you F_soldaten?
Sounds like a good plan to me! I'm certainly within driving distance ...and "Have Guns (and kit) - Will Travel" ... (which could really be an apt description of the British, when you think of it :) )

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In my persona as "Major John M. Robson, Royal Highland Regiment (The Black Watch)" ....
 
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GrantR I'm gonna see if we can put something together based on the SA hunters and conservation shoot every year. Will just have to find some more Mausers but then again we used captured lee Metfords too during the war so shouldn't be too much of a problem equipping the Burgers. Oh and Fez_18 can be a Joiner as his dad is an Afrikaner but his mom is a English speakin lady :D Now if anyone can tell me how to post pic's I'll show my "kit"
 
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