Bought a Glock....and I'm liking it.
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The unsupported chamber myth has been debunked. It is no more. A rash of overpowered Federal ammo released around the same time as the early Glock .40's started the kaboom myth. I don't want to start another endless kB thread, so let's put it to sleep.
I shoot reloads with my G22. I'm on my third Glock reload with some of my brass. They still look new. It's no different from what I've got over the years from a Beretta and a Sig.
The reload warning in the manual is written for lawyers, not shooters.
BTW, I just got my G17 as a range complement to my G22. I like the idea of standardization of draw, target acquisition, ease of maintenance, light weight, easy repair in Canada, and I shoot well with them. I really liked my Sig, but the high bore axis, coupled with the hard metal frame aggravated my wrist arthritis. The Glock (and my Para SSP 1911) do not irritate.
I shoot reloads with my G22. I'm on my third Glock reload with some of my brass. They still look new. It's no different from what I've got over the years from a Beretta and a Sig.
The reload warning in the manual is written for lawyers, not shooters.
BTW, I just got my G17 as a range complement to my G22. I like the idea of standardization of draw, target acquisition, ease of maintenance, light weight, easy repair in Canada, and I shoot well with them. I really liked my Sig, but the high bore axis, coupled with the hard metal frame aggravated my wrist arthritis. The Glock (and my Para SSP 1911) do not irritate.
If you are going to reload for your Glock for any .40cal where you may be using brass fired from a Glock get the Lee resizing die. I replaced my Dillon with one. The Lee sizes down further on the case ironing out the infamous .40 cal Glock bulge.
As to the Kabooms I am not sure where this myth came from:
"The unsupported chamber myth has been debunked. It is no more. A rash of overpowered Federal ammo released around the same time as the early Glock .40's started the kaboom myth. I don't want to start another endless kB thread, so let's put it to sleep."
Most US armourers claim the primary cause was dirty chambers due to another myth that Glocks never need cleaning. A dirty chamber, a stuck cartridge - kaboom in Glocks or at least can.
Another myth about Glocks is you can't shoot lead bullets in their polygonial barrels. BS to that myth as well. What you do have to do if you shoot Glocks is clean the damn gun afterwards. The lube used in lead bullets will accumulate on the ramp and chamber of any gun including Glocks. See note above on Kabooms. I have shot thousands of rounds out of my Tanfoglio polygonial barrel with nary a sign of leading. Friends stateside shooting Glock .40's report the same thing.
Your gun will last your lifetime and them some. Great guns, I wish I could handle the grip. If I could I would buy one in a heartbeat. Glock has been slow to react to comments from shooters in that regard and are losing sales because of it. I suspect the 4th Generation will have replaceable back straps which seems to be the rigor in todays poly guns.
Take Care
Bob
As to the Kabooms I am not sure where this myth came from:
"The unsupported chamber myth has been debunked. It is no more. A rash of overpowered Federal ammo released around the same time as the early Glock .40's started the kaboom myth. I don't want to start another endless kB thread, so let's put it to sleep."
Most US armourers claim the primary cause was dirty chambers due to another myth that Glocks never need cleaning. A dirty chamber, a stuck cartridge - kaboom in Glocks or at least can.
Another myth about Glocks is you can't shoot lead bullets in their polygonial barrels. BS to that myth as well. What you do have to do if you shoot Glocks is clean the damn gun afterwards. The lube used in lead bullets will accumulate on the ramp and chamber of any gun including Glocks. See note above on Kabooms. I have shot thousands of rounds out of my Tanfoglio polygonial barrel with nary a sign of leading. Friends stateside shooting Glock .40's report the same thing.
Your gun will last your lifetime and them some. Great guns, I wish I could handle the grip. If I could I would buy one in a heartbeat. Glock has been slow to react to comments from shooters in that regard and are losing sales because of it. I suspect the 4th Generation will have replaceable back straps which seems to be the rigor in todays poly guns.
Take Care
Bob
I wouldn't reload unless you get a new barrel.
Better yet, get a 9mm Lone Wolf conversion barrel and a 9x19 mag or two and you are laughing
EnjoY!
You post this every time someone asks about a Glock, do you sell Lone Wolf barrels or something? Matt, do like the rest of us and reload for your stock Glock, just be sure to follow the usual safety procedures and don't start at Max loads and you'll be fine. Also you have to inspect the brass carefully like with any reloading.
No it hasn't. You can't make an absolute statement like that without providing a sliver of support for you "theory". Glock kabooms are a widely documented phenomenon and have been occurring over a number of years with different types of ammunition. Besides, the defective Federal ammo batch you are referring to was manufactured prior to 1995, so it cannot explain all of the documented kabooms that have taken place in the subsequent 13 years.
According to Ken Hackathorn:
"In various handgun courses over the years I have personally witnessed five (5!) kB!s, all with factory-new .40 S&W ammo. Yes, two were with the earlier Federal 165-grain Hydra-Shok, but I've also seen it happen with 180-grain Winchester Ranger and 155-grain Speer Gold Dot HPs."
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
I don't want to start another endless Glock kaboom thread either, but I'd hate to see someone ruin their gun or worse, get injured, because of some dubious statement they've read on the internet. Reloads and Glocks don't mix - just look at how bulged the brass is once it's been fired in a Glock. You can resize it all you want, but that won't change the fact that it has been weakened by the deformation.
And while there may be some people shooting reloads in their Glocks without any apparent problems, the risk is still there (granted, the risk of a kaboom is present even when shooting factory ammo, but it's magnified greatly by using weakened brass). It may not happen to you right away, but in the long run, the probability of case failure is quite high if you shoot a lot of reloaded ammo.
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I've seen just as many pictures and heard of just as many HK's, 1911's, revolvers, etc, kabooms as I have seen of Glock kabooms.
I would maybe suggest starting a poll on here, and on glocktalk. That will give you an idea of how many people have reloaded insane amounts of 40 for their Glock without incident.
I would maybe suggest starting a poll on here, and on glocktalk. That will give you an idea of how many people have reloaded insane amounts of 40 for their Glock without incident.
capp325
"Reloads and Glocks don't mix - just look at how bulged the brass is once it's been fired in a Glock."
Bull####! If you had a dollar for every reloaded round shot through a Glock you would be a multimillionaire. The 1911 in it's original configuration has an unsupported chamber as well. Does anyone reload for the 1911? If you think the 100 or so IDPA shooters at the National last year who shot Glocks use only factory ammo you also believe in the tooth fairy.
The Glock 40 is the only case I have ever seen with a slight bulge and the bulge disappears with resizing. Please don't tell my Tanfoglio about the weakened brass given that is all it ever gets to feed on and the brass lasts as long as any other .40cal brass.
I have never heard of a Glock in 9MM or .45acp having a kaboom. Only the .40cal. Of those that have occured when my friend Stateside was present, both guns hadn't been cleaned in months.
Take Care
Bob
ps I am not a Glock fan but posting you can't shoot reloads in them is just dumb!
"Reloads and Glocks don't mix - just look at how bulged the brass is once it's been fired in a Glock."
Bull####! If you had a dollar for every reloaded round shot through a Glock you would be a multimillionaire. The 1911 in it's original configuration has an unsupported chamber as well. Does anyone reload for the 1911? If you think the 100 or so IDPA shooters at the National last year who shot Glocks use only factory ammo you also believe in the tooth fairy.
The Glock 40 is the only case I have ever seen with a slight bulge and the bulge disappears with resizing. Please don't tell my Tanfoglio about the weakened brass given that is all it ever gets to feed on and the brass lasts as long as any other .40cal brass.
I have never heard of a Glock in 9MM or .45acp having a kaboom. Only the .40cal. Of those that have occured when my friend Stateside was present, both guns hadn't been cleaned in months.
Take Care
Bob
ps I am not a Glock fan but posting you can't shoot reloads in them is just dumb!
Someone wrote: I don't want to start another endless Glock kaboom thread either, but I'd hate to see someone ruin their gun or worse, get injured, because of some dubious statement they've read on the internet.
AND YOU REFER TO AN INTERNET LINK ???????
ENUF WITH THE G22 KABOOM ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND YOU REFER TO AN INTERNET LINK ???????
ENUF WITH THE G22 KABOOM ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You post this every time someone asks about a Glock, do you sell Lone Wolf barrels or something? Matt, do like the rest of us and reload for your stock Glock, just be sure to follow the usual safety procedures and don't start at Max loads and you'll be fine. Also you have to inspect the brass carefully like with any reloading.
LOL... I wish I sold Lone Wolf barrels. I recommend them because they look the most like factory barrels in terms of machining. The machining is also excellent (no visible tooling marks). They are the best deal going (cheap and good). I've owned Barsto and StormLake as well
The reason I said new barrel is because for the Glock 22's I've owned I always shuddered when I saw the giant buldge in the brass from firing factory loads.
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Take a look at this photo comparison from thefiringline.com:
Now, take a look at these entire threads:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230344
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936255&highlight=unsupported
No point to re-invent the wheel here. I think you'll find that Kb's are not and never were exclusively a Glock problem.
If you check your brass and each load, that will reduce the statistical likelihood even further--with any handgun.
Now, take a look at these entire threads:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230344
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936255&highlight=unsupported
No point to re-invent the wheel here. I think you'll find that Kb's are not and never were exclusively a Glock problem.
If you check your brass and each load, that will reduce the statistical likelihood even further--with any handgun.
You guys feel free to shoot whatever you want out of your Glocks. You can load 'em up with dried figs for all I care. My post was intended to inform the original poster of the risk of Glock going kaboom when shot with reloaded ammunition, in case he was not aware of the issue. I was not attempting to achieve the impossible and alter the entrenched positions of the "Glock Perfection" Koolaid Squad.
You guys are right. Loose, unsupported chambers do not increase the probability of case failure and bulged cases are just as strong as new brass. And physics is not a real science anyways.
You guys are right. Loose, unsupported chambers do not increase the probability of case failure and bulged cases are just as strong as new brass. And physics is not a real science anyways.
What I see in that photo is that Glock chambers are the least supported of the bunch, with Beretta coming in second.
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Well, what ever makes you feel good is fine with me.
It's just like your post that started all of this made it sound as if the kabooms are endemic--that feeding reloads through a G22 would be akin to a suicide mission. Had the post been more accurate, we could have saved some server space.
Here's the original mention of kBs:
"I wouldn't do it, at least not with the stock barrel. Unsupported chamber + reloaded brass = kaboom."
A bit exaggerated, wouldn't you say? It just begs clarification.
It reminds me of the Beretta 92 farce. From time to time, whenever a purchaser celebrated his purchase on a message board, someone would ruin the new owner's pride of ownership by mentioning the likehood that a bad guy would simply pull the slide of the Beretta before the good guy could get a shot off. Not bloodly likely, of course.
It's just like your post that started all of this made it sound as if the kabooms are endemic--that feeding reloads through a G22 would be akin to a suicide mission. Had the post been more accurate, we could have saved some server space.
Here's the original mention of kBs:
"I wouldn't do it, at least not with the stock barrel. Unsupported chamber + reloaded brass = kaboom."
A bit exaggerated, wouldn't you say? It just begs clarification.
It reminds me of the Beretta 92 farce. From time to time, whenever a purchaser celebrated his purchase on a message board, someone would ruin the new owner's pride of ownership by mentioning the likehood that a bad guy would simply pull the slide of the Beretta before the good guy could get a shot off. Not bloodly likely, of course.
Reloaded brass is always weaker than virgin brass, so the probability of case failure is higher. If the brass was previously fired in a pistol with a poorly supported chamber (i.e. a Glock), the risk of a kaboom is greater still. Personally, I would stick to factory ammo but hey, it's your life.
Cap325
"You guys are right. Loose, unsupported chambers do not increase the probability of case failure and bulged cases are just as strong as new brass. And physics is not a real science anyways."
Given that most kabooms I have seen involved out of battery ignition and not chambered rounds that is quite the statement. Too, I don't recall anyone on this thread saying what you state. To suggest guys can't shoot reloads in Glocks is dumb in the extreme and not born out by practice. Not sure what your physics comment is about and I doubt you do either.
Back on my ignore list.
Take Care
Bob
ps I don't own a Glock and frankly don't care for them but others like them as they should. They, like any number of firearms have had their problems. Mostly I believe owner induced, as in not cleaning them.
"You guys are right. Loose, unsupported chambers do not increase the probability of case failure and bulged cases are just as strong as new brass. And physics is not a real science anyways."
Given that most kabooms I have seen involved out of battery ignition and not chambered rounds that is quite the statement. Too, I don't recall anyone on this thread saying what you state. To suggest guys can't shoot reloads in Glocks is dumb in the extreme and not born out by practice. Not sure what your physics comment is about and I doubt you do either.
Back on my ignore list.
Take Care
Bob
ps I don't own a Glock and frankly don't care for them but others like them as they should. They, like any number of firearms have had their problems. Mostly I believe owner induced, as in not cleaning them.
Nope, I was not trying to rain on anyone's parade. The OP stated that he was planning to start reloading shortly. I pointed out that doing so with a factory barrel was, in my opinion, a bad idea as it increased the probability of catastrophic failure.
We are all grown men responsible for our own actions. If someone decides to shoot reloads through a Glock because he thinks that the benefits outweigh the risk, I've got no problem with that (unless that man is standing next to me on the firing line). What I do have a problem with is the out-of-hand dismissal of a well-documented phenomenon, which is what you did with your comment. Now you could argue that the Glock Kaboom issue has been blown out of proportion or that the risk is not high enough to warrant avoiding reloads. Those would be fine opinion arguments. However, to say that Glock Kabooms are a "myth" that has been "debunked" implies that there is some sort of incontrovertible proof showing that poor chamber support does not increase the probability of case failure. And that is simply not the case (no pun intended).
Replace that trigger, anyone who says an 8lb trigger pull is nice is either stupid or just plain stubborn and cheap. I have a 5lb and it's nice, much better than the 8lb stock trigger. I haven't tried the 3.5 lb one so I can't say anything about it.
