Brand new rifle and scope.....ran out of clicks on my scope at 100/200 yards....WTF?

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I just bought a nib Remington 700 SPS Tactical .223 Rem, mounted a Badger Ordnance 0moa steel base, Brownells tactical steel rings/high 1.125, and a nib Bushnell Elite 4-16x 50mm scope.

While zeroing scope at 100/200 yards using 62 gr. FMJ my shots were very high....so I started clicking elevation adjustments down until grouping were on target...but in doing so...I ran out of "downs" on the scope. never had this problem before.

Note....my previous rifles being a Remington M700 Police .308 Win & a Rem 700 SPS Tactical .223 (yes, same rifle lol) I always bought the Badger Ordance 20 MOA steel base. This time, this base was out of stock....and I wasn't going to wait....so I said f@ck it and bought the 0 MOA base.....so my current base is lacking the forward cant.....this probably is a contributing factor to my current problem.

Note.....I was using lighter faster ammo.....when I go back to 100/200 yard range I will be using mostly Federal/Hornady Match 75 gr / 77 gr. BTHP MatchKings, heavier and slightly slower.....so the impact will be slightly lower....so I'll have to use my "ups" elevations to get back on target....which will remedy my problem.



Soooo.....what you guys think?. I never had an issue of running out of clicks at such short range, but I've always used a 20 MOA base......no I have a 0 MOA base. It's gotta be it???


I won't have this problem when using 77 gr. matchKings at distances like 300/400/500 yards because I'll no doubt have to use my "ups" elevations to correct the significant bullet drop.....but while at the local 100/200 yard range.....I've zero'd my rifle at 200 yards just barely...my last "down" click was used to get it zeroed at 200. At 100 yards, impact point was like an inch above bullseye, note...using faster, lighter 55 gr. FMJ .....if I was using 77 gr. BTHP I'm sure it would be a little lower.


Any thoughts? .....not a big deal....just a little piss off. I shoot mostly at 200 yards, and will be using 75/77 gr. BTHP so I'll be fine. Just surprised I ran out of click adjustments with a Bushnell Elite 4-16x 50mm scope at such short distance. It's large objective lens required me to use High rings for a proper fit, 0 MOA base made matters ever worse lol....hmmmmm.
 
you would need a negative cant to counteract your problem. I've never heard of this issue happening without a forward-canted base, so I really don't know what to tell you here...
 
IMO it is better to run out of 'downs' than ups. Many of my rifles won't zero at 50 and one won't do so at 100 but will have lots of room to zero out past my ability to make hits. If you really need to zero at very close range consider the use of shims etc on your rings.
 
I have the same problem with my Remington 700 5R in 308. I have been using Burris Signature Zee Rings and some of the other members of CGN pointed me toward the Burris Pos-Align Offset Insert Kit Mfr# 626019 from Wholesale Sports #57542 for $19.99.
I haven't had a chance to try them out yet, but it may fix my problem without breaking the bank.
 
I have the opposite problem on a Model 70. Someone must have gone crazy when polishing that action - I had to add .030" worth of shim under the rear base. This was just so that my 100 yard zero was relatively close to the middle of my scope's elevation range. Without it, I wouldn't have been able to dial up very far for further downrange. Plus, my rings would have been misaligned and might have kinked my scope.

Out of curiosity, when you mounted your rings, did you use alignment pins (dowels, shafts, whatever...) to see how they lined up? Or maybe measure from the base of the ring to the bottom of the radius - you may have a pair of rings of different dimensions.

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Lol....no, it's a 0 MOA base. I've bought the 20 MOA base twice before....NEVER had any problems what so ever with clicks running out. 1st time ever problems encountered, and guess what? ....I ordered the 0 MOA base cause they were out of stock :(
 
Correct me if I'm wrong....but a 20 MOA base has a slight forward cant, so the scope would be pointing a little lower down, and a 0 MOA base is more level, and with the added high rings, the scope would be much higher, so I'd need much more clicks to bring the impact point down.....or does this scope click system work in the exact opposite way?

The purpose of a 20 MOA base is to give shooters added elevation when zeroing at extended long ranges right? That's why with my .223 Rem I didn't think this was necessary


Hmmmm ???
 
Are you certain it is a 0 moa base , is it at all possible it could have been packaged wrong?
A good friend of mine had the same issue with his rifle but it has a 20 moa base on it , also I believe bushnell has limited moa adjustment on your scope as did my friend's 4200 6x24.

You could try a cheap set of weaver bases and see if it does the same thing if so it could be a # of things like a badly out of square receiver or even a barrel with a curved bore, how did it group btw did it string by any chance.
 
Either the base is out of tolerance or maybe the rings. Swapping the front ring with the back one should tell you pretty quickly if it is the rings.
 
ran into a similar problem due to a set of Sako Optilocks. Used calipers to measure - sure enough the height of one of the rings was just a bit shorter to cause me problems. Took them back and got another set and everything was fine. Im not saying that is your problem but weird things do happen
 
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