Bren 2 North Sylva Restricted Imports

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Excellent news and placing my order today !!!

“Official CZ Bren 2 Ms SKUs and Pricing
CZ Bren 2 Ms 5.56 Nato 8". SKU#: CZBREN2MS8. $2799.
CZ Bren 2 Ms 5.56 Nato 11". SKU#: CZBREN2MS11. $2799.
CZ Bren 2 Ms 5.56 Nato 16.5". SKU#: CZBREN2MS16. $2999.

Landing in 30 days. These are restricted and come with factory folding/collapsible stock.

We will update with additional models when they become available. Thanks.”


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That or hopefully right around the 16.5" cost. Good to see that CZ is willing to work with NS or the Canadian people and will be offering the NR variant. Same as the Scorpion.
 
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barrel sizes, minus NR length and extended handguard for the 16.5?
 
It would be cool if someone with deep pockets did a big comparison review, Gen2 WK vs Crusader 5.56 vs Tavor vs Sterling R18 vs Bren 2 NR vs B&T 5.56. It would be cool to see what provides the best balance of quality, reliability, and cost.
 
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It would be cool if someone with deep pockets did a big comparison review, Gen2 WK vs Crusader 5.56 vs Tavor vs Sterling R18 vs Bren 2 NR vs B&T 5.56. It would be cool to see what provides the best balance of quality, reliability, and cost.

I for one will be looking forward to a B&T vs Bren 2 review when the NR lengths become available.
 
Interesting that IRG offers the 14" Military configuration, but NS does not. Rather NS offers the 16.5" Barrel, which is a uniquely American product intended to get around US laws governing Barrel length and is not a true military configuration. The 16" Bren 2 MS comes with an extended MLOK Rail rather than the militarily-correct short handguard like that featured in the Post 6 photo. The top firearm in the photo is actually the 14" barrel, which IRG offers and which is the official military "long barrel" option.

I ordered a 14" Bren 2 from IRG, which appears to be "unobtanium" through the "official" Canadian distributor. It will be interesting to see if I actually receive the 14" Barrel with Bayonet Lug from IRG. If so, that could become a rare configuration in Canada. The price was within $22 CAD difference, which will be eaten up by the difference in shipping costs between the two sources, so irrelevant. I for one, would much rather have the correct 14" Czech military configuration than the 16" US "compromise" rifle, but that's just me. YMMV...

14" Bren 2 (Early version with Receiver lightening cuts):

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16" Bren 2 MS:

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I for one will be looking forward to a B&T vs Bren 2 review when the NR lengths become available.

B&T - short ejector pivot vs CZ long ejector pivot. difference balance of ejection cycle force. Bren has shorter push rod than APC

APC uses the barrel trunnion block as the single center piece for the handguard and barrel using 6 hex bolts. The hanguard is bolted down to the trunnion with 1 bolt on top and 1 bolt to the bottom. Bren uses 4 bolts - Bren's handguard is actually 5 pieces that bolt each piece of the barrel block and the barrel itself. APC is quasi free floating and Bren 2 is like SCAR and old PWC, the barrel is bolted to the handguard.

APC's gas block is a bar stock, Bren is mostly a forging. Bren is lighter because its gas block and barrel trunnion are smaller and less massive than the APC. CZ bren receiver is also more complex in geometry and APC avoids all that, ie subtractive vs addictive approach.

They really are the same thing just slightly different execution of the same idea. I will say that B&T uses lots of massive blocks because their volume didn't warrant forging, but APC 2 pinned lower and upper is much more KISS and robust than Bren M2 method

The CZ Bren M2 also has too short of a hanguard, not enough space to mount LAD and light, APC's longer handgurad is a bit better, some where in between the MK18 and the old KAC estate wise.

APC uses AR15 trigger pack and the new one uses AR pistol grip - this is a big plus if you want to retain and train for AR trigger if you go to the states to compete or your work gun is an AR or C7. This is a major selling point of APC.

Too be honest, I am not quite sure there is a 1000 bucks difference there no matter how your cut it if you purely look at dollar vs value. But if you have to retain and maintain AR trigger memory, you may have to choke up that money for the APC.

Finally, amongst all these guns CZ Bren M2 is the only one employed and approved by NATO - this means it passed certain standards.
 
What is the practical accuracy of the CZ Brens? 3 moa guns? 2 or 4?
For that matter, what's the conciseness on B&T APC accuracy potential (bearing in mind that their new generation displayed at SHOT showed an awesome free floated version and may be more accurate than the current ones floating around)?

Rich
 
What is the practical accuracy of the CZ Brens? 3 moa guns? 2 or 4?
For that matter, what's the conciseness on B&T APC accuracy potential (bearing in mind that their new generation displayed at SHOT showed an awesome free floated version and may be more accurate than the current ones floating around)?

Rich

From what I have seen online 2-4 MOA, same as pretty much any other non modified semi-auto.
 
B&T - short ejector pivot vs CZ long ejector pivot. difference balance of ejection cycle force. Bren has shorter push rod than APC

APC uses the barrel trunnion block as the single center piece for the handguard and barrel using 6 hex bolts. The hanguard is bolted down to the trunnion with 1 bolt on top and 1 bolt to the bottom. Bren uses 4 bolts - Bren's handguard is actually 5 pieces that bolt each piece of the barrel block and the barrel itself. APC is quasi free floating and Bren 2 is like SCAR and old PWC, the barrel is bolted to the handguard.

APC's gas block is a bar stock, Bren is mostly a forging. Bren is lighter because its gas block and barrel trunnion are smaller and less massive than the APC. CZ bren receiver is also more complex in geometry and APC avoids all that, ie subtractive vs addictive approach.

They really are the same thing just slightly different execution of the same idea. I will say that B&T uses lots of massive blocks because their volume didn't warrant forging, but APC 2 pinned lower and upper is much more KISS and robust than Bren M2 method

The CZ Bren M2 also has too short of a hanguard, not enough space to mount LAD and light, APC's longer handgurad is a bit better, some where in between the MK18 and the old KAC estate wise.

APC uses AR15 trigger pack and the new one uses AR pistol grip - this is a big plus if you want to retain and train for AR trigger if you go to the states to compete or your work gun is an AR or C7. This is a major selling point of APC.

Too be honest, I am not quite sure there is a 1000 bucks difference there no matter how your cut it if you purely look at dollar vs value. But if you have to retain and maintain AR trigger memory, you may have to choke up that money for the APC.

Finally, amongst all these guns CZ Bren M2 is the only one employed and approved by NATO - this means it passed certain standards.

Thanks, that does help scratch the itch a bit until I can see both side by side! I do question the likely extra $1K (although pricing on NR Bren is not yet announced).
 
Now, if the basic requirements are: 1) always goes bang; 2) 2-4 MOA accuracy with bulk ammo, both 95 and 97 remain strong contenders.

/blasphemy
 
How the hell North Sylva will not respond to pms and keeps deleting my threads on their forum asking simple questions like "are the 7.62x39 11" versions coming too or not" is insane.

But I can't believe they wouldn't opt for the x39 cals aswell at the same time.
 
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