Brigade Makasi MK15 First impression Canada review

Painkillers said:
Those who are baleing, are you not concerned that a precedent has been set when they banned other IWI products (x95, Tavor 7)?
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I wouldn't base my decision off this, they've banned single shot rolling actions before. Let's just be happy we have some semi autos coming. The used market will do its thing, I'm not worried either way. Let's be real, most people are just plinking anyways, look at the success of the TM22.
 
Boblo Rosscobar said:
Decided I’m going to give this rifle a chance. Will stick an aftermarket trigger in it and give it a 1000 rounds. If it looks like it’s going to beat itself to death I’m going to sell and buy fish rifle

Mainly I’m just too lazy to go through hassle of changing my pre-order
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So real. So funny to see so many dudes bailing after one review lol. People in the states have had this rifle a lot longer than us and speak highly of it. Both the Makasi and Carmel weren’t the biggest commercial successes in the US, there’s probably a reason for both.
 
I hope that those who have changed their mind will find satisfaction with the IWI Carmel. If utter reliability is the hill you die on, that may indeed prove to be the wisest choice. TIme will tell.

I will be sticking with the Makasi until it is demonstrated to be either wildly inaccurate at more than 2 MOA with my bulk 62 gr LEO bonded SP ammo, or unreliable with more than 1 stoppage in 100 attributable to the rifle after a suitable break-in period. I will view GT'S findings with interest in the interim and may move away from the platform if his experience varies from the near-universally positive reviews that I have read and watched online. I very much doubt that will happen, but occasional lemons do admittedly occur.

I really do hope that the Makasi is an accurate and reliable performer to help me whittle down my 5.56mm and .223 cal ammo holdings. I will buy a Carmel if left with no alternative, but it is far from my first choice for the reasons already stated by others.
 
Personally, I bailed on my Makasi pre-order before I saw this thread. I had money down for both a Makasi and a Carmel, but I realized that, realistically, I could really only afford one. Going with IWI, with their history of robust, reliable guns, was for me a no-brainer.

Now that I've seen the review, the Makasi's starting to feel a bit like the M10X a few years back - good reviews in the US, great design, looked terrific on paper.... but poorly executed.

I was expecting XCR quality. Looks like we may be getting WK180 quality instead. I may regret cancelling..... but kinda glad I did at this point though.
 
Boblo Rosscobar said:
Decided I’m going to give this rifle a chance. Will stick an aftermarket trigger in it and give it a 1000 rounds. If it looks like it’s going to beat itself to death I’m going to sell and buy fish rifle

Mainly I’m just too lazy to go through hassle of changing my pre-order
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I'm buying both. If this one is a fail it will be easy to sell anyways...
 
The Carmel is literally slop lmao. Aside from brand name it's hard to find a compelling reason to go for it. It's been around for years with very little government user adoption to show. It has very little user feedback and promotional presence, even through iwi channels. Makes you wonder if stock we're getting is being dumped for a quick buck.

The bare 16" Carmel is like 8.125lb with no accessories, no optic, no sling, and no magazine. With a Canadian NR barrel and fully configured with accessories and a lightweight optic, it'll be pushing 10lb before you even insert a magazine. That's retarded for a 5.56mm gun. It's non-trivial if you try to do any practical/dynamic disciplines or carry it inna woods.

For context, an AR with similar light profile barrel, like the BCM® RECCE-16 is 5.8lb LOL.

A Makasi with 16" M4 profile barrel is listed at 7.0lb on the manufacturer website. That actually makes it competitive as a MSR for serious use. Part availability and modularity is much better, ergonomics are much more familiar for most users. The Makasi problems (handguard bolt, gas block pin) mentioned in this ITT thread are not insurmountable. Whereas the Carmel's problems are inherent to the design.
 
Feminist said:
The Carmel is literally slop lmao. Aside from brand name it's hard to find a compelling reason to go for it. It's been around for years with very little government user adoption to show. It has very little user feedback and promotional presence, even through iwi channels. Makes you wonder if stock we're getting is being dumped for a quick buck.

The bare 16" Carmel is like 8.125lb with no accessories, no optic, no sling, and no magazine. With a Canadian NR barrel and fully configured with accessories and a lightweight optic, it'll be pushing 10lb before you even insert a magazine. That's retarded for a 5.56mm gun. It's non-trivial if you try to do any practical/dynamic disciplines or carry it inna woods.

For context, an AR with similar light profile barrel, like the BCM® RECCE-16 is 5.8lb LOL.

A Makasi with 16" M4 profile barrel is listed at 7.0lb on the manufacturer website. That actually makes it competitive as a MSR for serious use. Part availability and modularity is much better, ergonomics are much more familiar for most users. The Makasi problems (handguard bolt, gas block pin) mentioned in this ITT thread are not insurmountable. Whereas the Carmel's problems are inherent to the design.
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What problems with the Carmel? Everything I've seen suggests it's a very well made firearm and functions as it should.

(I'm not biased... I've ordered both.)
 
Feminist said:
The Carmel is literally slop lmao. Aside from brand name it's hard to find a compelling reason to go for it. It's been around for years with very little government user adoption to show. It has very little user feedback and promotional presence, even through iwi channels. Makes you wonder if stock we're getting is being dumped for a quick buck.

The bare 16" Carmel is like 8.125lb with no accessories, no optic, no sling, and no magazine. With a Canadian NR barrel and fully configured with accessories and a lightweight optic, it'll be pushing 10lb before you even insert a magazine. That's retarded for a 5.56mm gun. It's non-trivial if you try to do any practical/dynamic disciplines or carry it inna woods.

For context, an AR with similar light profile barrel, like the BCM® RECCE-16 is 5.8lb LOL.

A Makasi with 16" M4 profile barrel is listed at 7.0lb on the manufacturer website. That actually makes it competitive as a MSR for serious use. Part availability and modularity is much better, ergonomics are much more familiar for most users. The Makasi problems (handguard bolt, gas block pin) mentioned in this ITT thread are not insurmountable. Whereas the Carmel's problems are inherent to the design.
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None of IWIs rifles have been adopted outside of Israel ... Israel doesn't make things for export they make them for themselves.

And we don't need to be fighting eachother in the current climate.

We need to be happy we have choice again and people can drop their 2400 loonies on what they want.

You do you bro and I will do me. Unless you want to give me another $2400+ tax to get both, your opinion on what I buy is irrelevant.
 
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Huh? Plenty of iwi rifles are adopted by other government users. Galil and tavor are well known on the export market. But the carmel has no government users outside or inside israel.

Not saying that government adoption is the ultimate qualifier. But one should refrain from spreading easily fact checked misinformation like "None of IWIs rifles have been adopted outside of Israel".

True Shadows said:
What problems with the Carmel? Everything I've seen suggests it's a very well made firearm and functions as it should.

(I'm not biased... I've ordered both.)
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A poor design that's "well made and works as it should" is still a poor design. The critique is that it's a 10lb pencil barrel 5.56mm rifle fully configured. If that doesn't matter, then more power to you.

As the above user said, my opinion on what you buy is irrelevant. You do you with your own $2400.
 
Feminist said:
Huh? Plenty of iwi rifles are adopted by other government users. Galil and tavor are well known on the export market. But the carmel has no government users outside or inside israel.

Not saying that government adoption is the ultimate qualifier. But one should refrain from spreading easily fact checked misinformation like "None of IWIs rifles have been adopted outside of Israel".



A poor design that's "well made and works as it should" is still a poor design. The critique is that it's a 10lb pencil barrel 5.56mm rifle fully configured. If that doesn't matter, then more power to you.

As the above user said, my opinion on what you buy is irrelevant. You do you with your own $2400.
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Would it be my first choice if they didn't ban everything...? No.

But I'll take what I can get at this point.
 
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