Bringing Scopes Into Canada
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the_klenzer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vancouver, BC
Figured I didn't need to start a new thread to ask this, and I probably know the answer but...
Scope rings/mount are also illegal to export from the USA without all the permit hoops as well, right?
I have a friend in the States who has extra used sets and just wants to mail me one for free. I said no of course, but thought I'd double check.
Scope rings/mount are also illegal to export from the USA without all the permit hoops as well, right?
I have a friend in the States who has extra used sets and just wants to mail me one for free. I said no of course, but thought I'd double check.
Some makes of rings and bases are exportable, by licenced exporters, without an additional export permit if the value is under US$100 at wholesale.
Falsifying a customs declaration in order to circumvent US arms controls laws could be a really, really bad idea. Your friend sending you a "gift" could get really jacked up.
Falsifying a customs declaration in order to circumvent US arms controls laws could be a really, really bad idea. Your friend sending you a "gift" could get really jacked up.
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Ar180shooter
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- Ottawa, ON
I called the Canadian side of the Boarder Crossing where I live. They said that I can just bring one across.
I'm not saying its right. But thats what I might have done.
If that's your plan, bring a bottle of anal lube too.
Ar180shooter
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- Ottawa, ON
Did you even read the post? He clearly said that barrels weren't ever exempted, and you even quoted that part...
Since it is not against the law to import scopes into Canada and you are generally only searched by the Canadians when seeking to enter Canada, if you were to be physically in possesion of a scope when you crossed the border there should be no problem. However you would be unable to access any warranty or guarantee on the scope from Canada as attempting to would alert US enforcement that you illegally exported a scope. Basically if it operated flawlessly it might be a good deal, if there was an issue it would be one more treasure in your collection
My Dad was 2 cars away from returning to the Canadian side, when three armed CBP guys came out of the bushes and asked him to remove the keys from the vehicle and hand them over to them. The scoured his truck (he was returning from a fishing trip) and were looking for anything gun related. Scared the heck out of my Dad...75 years old driving a plain ford pickup, but the camping gear in the back must have tipped them off he was a sportsman. He didn't have anything and after a hundred questions, let him return home. This ITAR stuff is pretty serious business.
See above!
Only searched on the Canadian side?Not anymore! Mur
Tony Gauthier
CGN Regular
- Location
- Alberta, Canada
Export Control Violations Subject to Severe Penalties against Institutions and Individuals
Penalties for ITAR(International Traffic in Arms Regulations) Violations:
* Criminal(entities): up to $1M
* Criminal(individual): up to $1M/10 years prison
* Civil fines: up to 500K and Forfeitures
* Debarment from Government contracts
Penalties for EAR(Export Administration Regulations) Violations:
* Criminal(Entities): Up to $1M
* Criminal(Individuals): up to $250K/10 years prison
* Civil Fines: $50K
* Denial of export privileges
These are the new fines and penalties as of this year. A regular scope falls into EAR. Military scopes fall into the ITAR group. Sure not something I can afford!!!!
Penalties for ITAR(International Traffic in Arms Regulations) Violations:
* Criminal(entities): up to $1M
* Criminal(individual): up to $1M/10 years prison
* Civil fines: up to 500K and Forfeitures
* Debarment from Government contracts
Penalties for EAR(Export Administration Regulations) Violations:
* Criminal(Entities): Up to $1M
* Criminal(Individuals): up to $250K/10 years prison
* Civil Fines: $50K
* Denial of export privileges
These are the new fines and penalties as of this year. A regular scope falls into EAR. Military scopes fall into the ITAR group. Sure not something I can afford!!!!
These threads make me laugh. Some guys think they are sooooo smart marking things as a "gift" and thinking the Homeland Security agents don't know any better.
Check points within the USA are quite common... and can't be avoided as they are located after the last exit before the Canadian border. It's quite simple really. You're pulled over, you are directed to a search area and instructed to shut off your vehicle and hand your keys to the DHS agent. You get out of your car, they escort you 100 feet away while they search your car using whatever means they want (including x-ray).
If anyone here thinks they are smart enough to pull the wool over their eyes... then by all means! The DHS guys have one job... and they enforce the law to the letter. It will be my pleasure to read about your experience when you come on here (after you're released) to and rant/rave about how you lost your car, your privileges to enter the USA, and how you are now on every international watch list in the world (if you get off easy).
Oh yeah, keep that tube of lube in your pocket and hope they don't seize it... cause you're gonna need it.
Check points within the USA are quite common... and can't be avoided as they are located after the last exit before the Canadian border. It's quite simple really. You're pulled over, you are directed to a search area and instructed to shut off your vehicle and hand your keys to the DHS agent. You get out of your car, they escort you 100 feet away while they search your car using whatever means they want (including x-ray).
If anyone here thinks they are smart enough to pull the wool over their eyes... then by all means! The DHS guys have one job... and they enforce the law to the letter. It will be my pleasure to read about your experience when you come on here (after you're released) to and rant/rave about how you lost your car, your privileges to enter the USA, and how you are now on every international watch list in the world (if you get off easy).
Oh yeah, keep that tube of lube in your pocket and hope they don't seize it... cause you're gonna need it.
Oh fark I like this thread
gushulak
CGN frequent flyer
I've been stopped numerous times when I lived along the border at US export checkstops. They are not the people you want to be getting into trouble with. Of course, I have nothing to hide and most of the border guards are friends that I see regularily.
The checkstops out of the US are the ones gonna get ya in hot water.
The checkstops out of the US are the ones gonna get ya in hot water.
absolutely.
These roadblocks are particularly common, and in Washington, with Bass Pro and other big name firearms retailers within a few miles of the border it is common to see Border patrol vehciles cruising the parking lot, presumably looking for Canadian Plates to "check" as they head home.
The US does not fool around. There are absolute requirements for appropriate licensing and permits (Which must be applied for long before any purchase can be made.... nobody has a standing permit to sell to a non-specific person). Plotting such a venture leaves you open to fraud and conspiracy charges too. It ain't canada where they give you a pass to the mall after you murdered all your kids, this is the US where you can go to jail for the rest of your life after the third "strike".
These roadblocks are particularly common, and in Washington, with Bass Pro and other big name firearms retailers within a few miles of the border it is common to see Border patrol vehciles cruising the parking lot, presumably looking for Canadian Plates to "check" as they head home.
The US does not fool around. There are absolute requirements for appropriate licensing and permits (Which must be applied for long before any purchase can be made.... nobody has a standing permit to sell to a non-specific person). Plotting such a venture leaves you open to fraud and conspiracy charges too. It ain't canada where they give you a pass to the mall after you murdered all your kids, this is the US where you can go to jail for the rest of your life after the third "strike".
Here is the one for Zeiss, still looking for Midway USA
http://www.bis.doc.gov/news/2005/zeiss.htm
Found Midway USA. Their fine was $222k with the $88k suspended. In earlier press releases the amount was $330k, and reduced, however the wording of the press releases is confusing.
http://www.bis.doc.gov/news/2004/midwaysep_04.htm
If your friends want reading material, check here http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/dont_let_this_happen_to_you_2005.pdf
(you will usually find my "facts" posted are traceable.)
Actually an "IIC" is required on the Canadian side as well.
An IIC is not required for importation into Canada. It is paperwork to be provided to exporter in USA who in turn provides to State Department. An IIC is a certificate not a licence to import, the latter not required by Canada. The IIC shows American authorities that "we" are aware of potential importation.
Regards,
Peter
Regards,
Peter
