Brinks Changing to autos??

Accidental or negligent discharge ?????

with the revolver, I guess it is debatable, he was just adjusting his holster so he wasn't sitting on it.
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With the trigger completely covered by a steel lined holster, and a DAO revolver the cylinder of which can't turn in the holster, I very much doubt that this was an 'accidental' discharge. Unless his equipment was non regulation issue, or defective.

TJ
 
not for anything other than my two cents, i worked in the industry in ontario for 13 yrs the 38's are a great guns and does a beautiful job(personally i would prefer and auto) the problem is lack of practice and places to practice most guards don't load their guns every night cause the forget they use the shotgun barrel as an ashtray because there driving and there bored so basically it's an alround lack of disciplin and professionalism on the part of gaurds and management
 
CanAm said:
When was the last time an armed guard fired a shot on the job in Canada?
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What does your comment have to do with the original question?

( " Brinks Changing to autos??
Anyone have any reliable news on the matter? Last I heard there was a puch in Ont and Quebec to M&P 9 and or 40's.")

Are you saying the posters question is irrelevant?
 
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the problem is lack of practice
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Oh yes, how true.

Unfortunately the feeling amongst many guards is that scoring enough to re-classify once or twice a year is enough to make you ready for the next incident.

Whereas, in fact, it isn't.

This is a management problem. They don't seem to realise that the next time a guard NEEDS to use his firearm could be before I have even finished typing this, and many guards just are NOT ready.

And yes, I do feel strongly about this.

TJ
 
Talljoe said:
Oh yes, how true.

Unfortunately the feeling amongst many guards is that scoring enough to re-classify once or twice a year is enough to make you ready for the next incident.

Whereas, in fact, it isn't.

This is a management problem. They don't seem to realise that the next time a guard NEEDS to use his firearm could be before I have even finished typing this, and many guards just are NOT ready.

And yes, I do feel strongly about this.

TJ
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Problem with management is that their a$$ isn't on the streets so they don't really care.

TDC
 
Talljoe said:
This is a management problem. They don't seem to realise that the next time a guard NEEDS to use his firearm could be before I have even finished typing this,
TJ
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management is doing a great job... It's their job to help make the company money. Spending money on training staff is not how you maximize profit.
Like it or not the company doesn't care about how proficiant the guards are with their guns. Actually I'd hazard to bet the company doesn't want the guards to be too proficiant or highly trained... The guards are expendable, insured and easily replaced.
Personally... I don't care what they carry as I have no plans to rob a brinks truck or ever work for them...
 
management is doing a great job... It's their job to help make the company money. Spending money on training staff is not how you maximize profit....
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I would definitely argue the first point, and don't entirely agree with the second.

Like it or not the company doesn't care about how proficiant the guards are with their guns.
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Probably an element of truth in this statement.

Pay depends on where you work, and whether you are full or part time.

$13 to $20/hr in BC.

TJ
 
@TJ... How would you argue the first point? They're called 'management' because they manage the work place to full potential meaning cheapest costs, maximum profits... the rest of the world calls it good buisness :p

And for the second point. I agree why train 5 people to do something 4 can do with some push ;)

Luke
 
Why shouldnt you... you work for them... you can still have an opinion of what could be done better. You're not a mindless zombie yet :p

I work for a ACC as well but I think a better job could be done if they put aside 'profits first' mentality. Its not against anything we've signed. We're not disclosing anything.

And I as well like my job. Like anywhere there are negatives but such is life.

But Mkay.. I respect that.

Luke
 
The companies do care about their guards proficiency with the issue sidearm--Unfortunately as it is just enough to (barely)qualify the guards yearly and have a tidy paper trail to cover their own asses.:(
 
OK Luke, how about this.

Everyone gets a paid break every 4 hours. If the break can't be taken, then the company adds 15 minutes for each of the breaks at the end of the shift.

It seems someone was maybe having the odd break but claiming he didn't so got a little extra money. This is theft, of course, but management's solution was to require everyone to take their breaks on the road.

Looks sensible enough until you analize it.

Let's say it is a crew of two. Every 4 hours one of them takes his break in Tim Horton's. The other sits in the truck as he is not allowed to leave it. The first guy gets back to the truck and the second then goes for his break.

Elapsed time: half an hour.

Repeat for the second break.

Total elapsed time: One hour.

So the crew gets back after the shift and books off one hour later than if they had not taken breaks.

Total cost to the Company: 2 x 1 hours pay= 2 hours pay.


If the crew takes no breaks on the road each person can claim 2 x 15 minutes which totals 1 hour pay.


So instead of tackling the very minor problem at it's scource, a blanket rule in introduced by (local) MANAGEMENT costs them as shown above, multiplied by the number of crews working.

That's just one example of why I disagreed with your statement. Management, and man management, has some shortcomings. I don't think a public board is really the place to go into detail, but you should get the picture from the example given.


The companies do care about their guards proficiency with the issue sidearm--Unfortunately as it is just enough to (barely)qualify the guards yearly and have a tidy paper trail to cover their own asses.
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Well, this is true. But what it actually means is that they don't care. Being able to do the minimum hardly means that they are proficient.

TJ
 
The company might not care, but the instructors usually do. And what is preventing you guys from getting the same sidearm you have at work? That's what I did.

Also regarding breaks. Each guy could just stay inside timmies for the amoutn of time required to grab his coffee/donut and get back to the truck and claim just 15 minutes total and be honest about it.
 
TheCanuck the problem is not the instructors they are keen and want to do thier best for the crews for the most part. The problem for the instructors is they only see the crews for a requal once a year. With the info that has to be reviewed for the test that dosen't allways leave a lot off time for practising old skills or learning knew ones. I can't count how many times I've seen quals rescheduled because the branch fails to plan for them properly and runs short off staff. It's been my expierence that most managers see the requals as just another problem they would like to go away instead of another way to help insure thier employe's skill and safety.

As far as range practice goes, the when and where is controlled by the branch not the Use of Force instructors. The branch has to arange for an RSO, range time and ammo this all costs money thats the bottom line.

As far as getting the same gun you carry on the street, I did but I'm probably the only one in my branch that has 12.6 on his pal. Yes I realize that you could get a revolver with a longer barrel so its not 12.6 but thats not allways that easy to find and depending on what you find it might not work with the duty gear we're issued.

As far as the taking breaks thing goes, I've been doing this job a long time(some days I think way to long) and I've seen that game played before and am sure it will never end.
 
Also regarding breaks. Each guy could just stay inside timmies for the amoutn of time required to grab his coffee/donut and get back to the truck and claim just 15 minutes total and be honest about it.
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This is what everybody does, and then gets back on the road. Couple of minutes at the most. When you are in the truck you CANNOT be considered to be on a break. So the crew gets back in earlier than they would if they had taken a break. Shouldn't that count as not having taken a break ? Personally I think they are honest.

No 12(6) for me unfortunately, altho I have bought a M&P on the off chance that the Company ever transitions to them.

+1 for what Nug said. The instructors are generally good. The requals do get resceduled ad infinitum, and the managers DO consider it a problem that they don't actually deal with very well. (Did I say that the management had shortcomings ?)

TJ
 
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