Brinks Changing to autos??

why is this being discussed publicly?? this is YOUR OWN SAFETY that you're compromising. nevermind company policies..

those who NEED to know, know.

for the rest, MYOB.
 
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My Childhood Friend Is On With Them Here In Calgary... There Still Using .38's But He Told Me Word Is They Can Change To A Gun Of There Choice Soon, He Said He'd Go With A Glock 22... He's Happy... :dancingbanana:
 
Semi12 said:
My Childhood Friend Is On With Them Here In Calgary... There Still Using .38's But He Told Me Word Is They Can Change To A Gun Of There Choice Soon, He Said He'd Go With A Glock 22... He's Happy... :dancingbanana:
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Sweet mother of bull####. Not only is that illegal according to the terms of an armed gaurd's ATC, but no company or CFO would ever allow gaurds to roam free without a standardized training system. Your either making it up as you go or your friend has got the dumb.
 
I've heard their phasing them out in a year, i'll let you know though if i pass their force trainging this week :p As for the reason they have had the 38's for so long, you ever see one jam and if sooo, it's not to often. Their considering the M&P'S though
 
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AaronG said:
I've heard their phasing them out in a year, i'll let you know though if i pass their force trainging this week :p As for the reason they have had the 38's for so long, you ever see one jam and if sooo, it's not to often. Their considering the M&P'S though
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Wow, the amount of BS in this post is immense. Revolvers are ancient dinosaurs that WERE the most advanced firearm around...About 100 years ago. Revolvers contain far more parts than most autos and carry fewer rounds. I've seen many a wheel gun fail and when they do its terminal.

Two buddies used to work for Securicor and both encountered several issues with their revolvers during training. To include a cylinder falling off one pistol. Feel free to champion the wheel gun, I'll stick to something with a large capacity magazine that actually works.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Two buddies used to work for Securicor and both encountered several issues with their revolvers during training. To include a cylinder falling off one pistol. Feel free to champion the wheel gun, I'll stick to something with a large capacity magazine that actually works.

TDC
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To be fair, it sounds like those issues are stemming from overuse/lack of maintenance. My issued model 64 has never given me any problems, but I am looking forward to the switch anyways.
 
PeteL said:
To be fair, it sounds like those issues are stemming from overuse/lack of maintenance. My issued model 64 has never given me any problems, but I am looking forward to the switch anyways.
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There's no doubt that lack of maintenance is an issue. The fact still remains that revolvers are an inferior system. Your experience with your revolver is good to hear. At some point I'm sure your revolver will need a trip to the smith or replacement parts due to a failure. The handicaps of a revolver over an auto are not in short supply. There's a very good reason why no LE agencies run wheel guns. To make the statement that "revolvers are more reliable than autos" is a sign of someone who is misinformed or delusional.

The switch will be a great improvement over the existing equipment. Unfortunately I don't see an improvement in the training accompanying the new pistols.

TDC
 
Pardon me TDC "To make the statement that "revolvers are more reliable than autos" is a sign of someone who is misinformed or delusional." You can say what you will and if you notice i only have semi autos. i'm just repeating what i was told and today after shooting a 6 shooter i stand by semi autos. Dilusional though, keep that #### to yourself. Your all about the slamming of #### hey "Unfortunately I don't see an improvement in the training accompanying the new pistols." Are you a hater of armed security??
 
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The last one I remember was in Vancouver..this is what I remember so details maybe slightly off...the badguy slashed a guard with a knife and took the loot....his partner lined up on the BG and shot him in the back of the head as he ran away down a sidewalk....

A couple years later in Nanaimo two guards were robbed in Costco by gunman with a sten....no shots fired in that one......

Are we suggesting that Guards should not be armed?????
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If you’ll allow to correct you…… your facts are wrong.

I knew the messenger who shot the attacker, and the driver.

It was at Pacific Center, downtown Vancouver in the Fall of 1992.

As he was returning to, and entering the truck, the messenger was attacked from behind by an assailant with a knife. He was stabbed in the back of the neck a few times and had the knife dragged across his face. They scuffled briefly for the bag of money the messenger was carrying, and then the perp broke off the attack and started running away.

The driver got out and fired one shot that missed and went through a window. He then got back into the truck because technically he wasn't supposed to leave it.

The messenger chased the perp down the street shouting for him to stop. He fired one shot that hit the perp in the buttocks (but didn't stop him) and then fired a second shot that hit his assailant in the back of the head, killing him almost immediately. Apparently, he was twitching for a bit.

The VPD said it was a clean shoot and to leave him alone, but the Crown Counsel wanted to throw the book at him, saying he had used excessive force.

I was taking my firearms training in Kelowna when it happened, and had transferred to Vancouver and had worked with both guards involved prior to the trial.

If you want to see someone under stress, spend time with someone facing a murder rap a few weeks before they go to trial.

They broke him down on the stand, but he was eventually acquitted.

It did change our policy though, shotguns were pulled out of the trucks, and we could no longer drive around in un-armoured vehicles to do ATM repairs. They brought in the mandatory security guard course that everyone had to take, but I quit just before it was implemented.


I do agree with you though, they should not be doing the job unarmed, and the revolvers are obsolete.
 
AaronG said:
Pardon me TDC "To make the statement that "revolvers are more reliable than autos" is a sign of someone who is misinformed or delusional." You can say what you will and if you notice i only have semi autos. i'm just repeating what i was told and today after shooting a 6 shooter i stand by semi autos. Dilusional though, keep that s**t to yourself. Your all about the slamming of s**t hey "Unfortunately I don't see an improvement in the training accompanying the new pistols." Are you a hater of armed security??
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Repeating what you were told without verifying the information is called speculation or verbal regurgitation. Either way, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. My opinion is mine to have. Striving to please others or post something that isn't offensive is not my MO nor is it my concern. If you're offended I'm glad. You have the right to be, and you voiced your concern. Good on you.

I don't "hate armed security" I have a problem with sub standard training and the general clueless clowns that appear to be working for such armed security outfits. The cost of new pistols and the accompanying gear is not cheap. With the expenditure on new gear I don't see any chance of a greater investment in the training of armed guards. The training they receive is simply a liability a$$ covering affair. Individual survival appears to be the last issue of concern for any of the companies.

TDC
 
Training quality is a point, but , you have too look at the people who work for these company. Were I work, we are two out of more than 500 who got there Black Badge and participate in comp. When it is time to reclassified the staff, it is almost a war with them. Main reason, is that , here in Canada , we are not raise in a gun culture like down south. People see there gun as a necessary tool to carry every day. And , even if they like the job, they all hope to never had to used the piece. We even tried to upgrade the gun handling with more realistic scenario, with actors, coaching them and helping them going trough the scenario.

After a year or two, the union told the admin. that the staff were complaining about the neccessity to go trough all that stress. So, these lesson were stop ( Happy Boss, he save $$).

With the last contrac they signed, they asked to cut reclassification from twice to once a year...Boss Happy!!!!

But , One of my co-workers had to use is handgun in Feb 2008 , cos is driver was grabbed by a guy who tried to get the gun from him, to be able after to get the key and stealing the truck. Is partner was inside , in the cargo when he here him yelling, so he opened fire on the guy, and hit his target, the crook yelling to him F**K , you hit me!! The crook partner's open fire from about 50 meters at the truck, with an SKS type rifle. The truck was hit by around 20 shots, most of them in the window , were now the man in the cargo was kneeling, is handgun in the Meurtriere ( sorry cannot translate this one ) By this time, the driver was back in the truck, severely beaten, but alive, when the crook saw that they cant get the truck, they get off in a Cherokee, they just find that truck in the bush last month. No news on the crook who was shot, or the other guys, they were 3 total. My co-workers are still on sick leaving, they both have at least 30 years on the side walk.

Sorry, I begin to write a book here !!

To resume, in the State, a lot of the armoured car staff are ex-soldier. They know there game, and the risk, is higher too. But , YES , we still need the handgun.

Yves
 
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