Brownells stole my idea

whitbyman said:
YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AS YOU DO NOT HAVE A PATENT
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snowhunter usually likes to stir the pot this time of year.
guess he has nothing better to do.
At least its not on about native rights this time.
Hey, maybe you can say that the natives were using this tool before whiteman was ever around and you can sue Brownells for all their profits:stirthepot2:


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Next time Mr. Snowhunter, ya'll best keep them thar good ideers to your'n ownself. Oh, and ya'll best wear your TINFOIL HAT so the gov't can't steal yor ideers neether :) Naw, ya'll don't need ta thank me ;) I figgered I'd best tell ya that after them there ayleeans took me up in there space ship and used a probe to...:eek: :runaway:
 
1) Disclosure - you lost your rights (see a few posts above, 12 months in Canada)
2) Obviousness - not patentable... "unimaginative skilled technician, in light of his general knowledge and the literature and information on the subject available to him on that date, would have been led directly and without difficulty to the invention."
3) Novelty - not patentable - I am pretty sure that what you describe is exactly how the casing extractors that were in the GPMG tool kits worked
4) Need for patent - patents are the mechanism for protecting IP rights in inventions... this is not a common law concept... you have no common law rights in the invention
5) International recognition of patents - patents are national only - even if you had patented in Canada, you would not necessarily have protection in the USA

oh... does your "invention" look like this:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5431073.html
 
I doubt that I could ever patent that intellectual property. A simple metal rod with a hook at the end that universally would easily extract broken shells from any rifle caliber chambers, and which could be done by anyone able to use a file, and cost pennies to produce :)

Brownells however, are cleverly producing and marked my intellectual property and invention in such a manner, that Brownells will make one for each caliber for $ 19.95 :)

Yes, Brownells copy of my broken shell extractor look fancier. However, the working part of "their" broken shell extractor, the hooks that goes over the lips of the broken shell and then extract the broken shell from the chamber, is my invention and intellectual property.

I am flattered :)
 
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The simple reality is that if you have an idea for an invention & share it ANYWHERE, it's open season without a patent. Even with a patent, you're looking at HUGE lawyers bills to enforce it against anyone or any company that infringes upon it. Ultimately, unless you're running an international conglomerate, you're SOL.

AKA get your inventions out, earn a little money and when someone steals it due to being a good & useful idea, go on to the next invention. Crying foul after saying the idea and doing nothing with it... Sorry hon, that ol saying "ya snooze, ya lose" comes to mind.

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I am not crying, mostly surpriced to se my very simple invention and intellectual property, which I told and discussed about in these fine pages, ended up as an Brownells product 080-000-441, retailing for $ 19.95 :)
 
snowhunter said:
I doubt that I could ever patent that intellectual property. A simple metal rod with a hook at the end that universally would easily extract broken shells from any rifle caliber chambers, and which could be done by anyone able to use a file, and cost pennies to produce :)

Brownells however, are cleverly producing and marked my intellectual property and invention in such a manner, that Brownells will make one for each caliber for $ 19.95 :)

Yes, Brownells copy of my broken shell extractor look fancier. However, the working part of "their" broken shell extractor, the hooks that goes over the lips of the broken shell and then extract the broken shell from the chamber, is my invention and intellectual property.

I am flattered :)
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HECK I even seen one made to get a bore snake out of my rifle, Was a cleaning rod and had a hook on the end, to pull it out....

Ain't your idea, Its a very old idea....Theres Billions of people in the world and your saying your the only one that thought of this idea, I don't think so....
 
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snowhunter said:
I own intellectual property rights to my idea of of this extremely simple broken shell extractor, which I have discussed in these fine page several times. Now the Brownells Company have stolen my intellectual property, and started to manufacture and marked my intellectural property of this very simple broken shell extractor towards the huge military marked.

Clearly, these fine pages are being read in important places, like magazine publishers as well as manufactorers, for idea's to make extra money from the world of military and hunting world.
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You should check with an attorney about your intellectual property rights.

And, while you're at it, you should also find out about the risks of defamation.
 
guntech said:
You are crying and whining and not addressing the fact that your idea is not new... it is a very old concept. Get on with your life.
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And, seeing as Brownells have been making gunsmith products for a very, very long time...Chances are this isn't thier first experience with a tool such as this.;)
 
Few times I had some broken shells in some of my 303 British rifles, and most of the time the front part was stuck pretty good, to a point I left the gun alone for a couple of years. I started to do some thinkering and started to wonder if I made a small hook at the end of a metal rod and put it through the front end of stuck and broken case and and "hooked" the lips of the case from the inside, I might be able to get that stuck case of the chamber, and it worked, and I was so excited for this discovery that I shared wiht my fellow gunnutz in these fine page and "gunboards", and got interesting feed back :)

I thought of patenting this neat discovery, but came to realization that it would be near impossible to patent a metal rod with a small hook at the end.

Well I am surpriced and flattered that Brownells have taken up my idea, which look much fancier and well as much more expensive that my orirginal idea. However, the working part of this Brownells is all my intellectural property.

I will recommend to make this universal broken shell extractor from brass or bronze rods, which are easyly available from any hardware store, and then file a small hook at the end of it, as well as file enough metal towards the hook so you can "feel" when you push the rod over the lips of the case. and then like magic, you can pull out the broken shell :)
 
snowhunter said:
I made a small hook at the end of a metal rod and put it through the front end of stuck and broken case and and "hooked" the lips of the case from the inside, I might be able to get that stuck case of the chamber, and it worked.
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I did the very same thing in about 1969 or 70 so I guess you stole my intellectual property. .... and I am sure I was not the first person in the world to try and remove a separated case by hooking it out with a home made tool.

Back about then I also discovered you could often remove a separated case using a new tight fitting brush and I also discovered you can not always remove separated cases with either of those two methods.

I don't ever bother with "your" hook method anymore as the brush method works as well and is quicker and easier and if it does not work the hooks probably won't either. I simply plug the front of the case and put epoxy in the case and let it harden and then drive it out with a cleaning rod.

Everyone is free to steal this intellectual property from me and I will not moan, groan, and whine about it. :rolleyes:
 
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