Building AR-15 or just Buy Norinco M4?

john777 said:
Is that a standard at 100 yards? 1-2.5" groups at 100 yards? Sorry.. I'm a noob.

I did a quick search and all I know it means Minute of Angle which doesn't mean much to me. LOL!

So compared to a real AR15, what is the MOA?

BTW, if my plastic comes in, I'm going to Epps this weekend. I'm gonna buy this sucka! :)

Thanks!
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Most AR's are 1-2.5 MOA @ 100 yards.

A real AR15 shoots 2 MOA with 55 grain ball give or take. You can tighten that up with handloads and optics.

The main reason people don't like Chinese AR's is because of the fit and finish and they are prejudice to the communist state.
Another reason people don't like them is because of nostalgic sentiment for good 'ol American guns.
You can take a Chinese AR and strip off all that crappy paint and make it look pretty good with some Krylon paint.
But by all means, if you have the money, buy an LMT or Sabre Defense. They are higher quality.
 
Norinco M4=Chinese piece of trash.

Buy a real AR. Will have to spend a bit more, but at least you will have the real thing.....and it will work.

If you see an AR for $900, it is probably too good to be true. Spend $900 on an AR and you have a nice piece of Chinese trash.

Spend a couple hundred more and get a real rifle.
 
gushulak said:
Norinco M4=Chinese piece of trash.

Buy a real AR. Will have to spend a bit more, but at least you will have the real thing.....and it will work.

If you see an AR for $900, it is probably too good to be true. Spend $900 on an AR and you have a nice piece of Chinese trash.

Spend a couple hundred more and get a real rifle.
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I have yet to hear a single report of a Norc M4 failing to operate, if you've heard of a single FTF/FTE or any other failure please tell us. As far as "the real thing" is concerned the Norc is far closer to the "real thing" than any other M4 style rifle sold in Canada- stick to what you know, dude.
 
gushulak said:
Norinco M4=Chinese piece of trash.

Buy a real AR. Will have to spend a bit more, but at least you will have the real thing.....and it will work.

If you see an AR for $900, it is probably too good to be true. Spend $900 on an AR and you have a nice piece of Chinese trash.

Spend a couple hundred more and get a real rifle.
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And this is based on your personal experience and not what you've read off the internet......

I've got a "real" AR sitting next to a Norc in the gun safe which is sitting next the the upper for a HK416.

Put over 1300 rounds thru the Norc in a 5 hour shooting session two weeks ago with no FTF. 15+ shooters who tried it (including newbies) all enjoyed themselves.

Finish on the gun is pretty good. Dont' feel the need to paint it cause it looks fine. New users didn't know it was a Chinese gun and didn't care. It went bang everytime they pulled the trigger and went through ammunition just as fast as more expensive guns that were there.

I purchased the Norc to assist me with some design work I am doing. Didn't need the more expensive gun so I went the cheap route. Didn't really expect or care what type of shooter it was.

Turns out it looks and works fine. Perhaps I just got lucky. Due to its light weight compared to my other AR -- my 10 year old daughter has "adopted it" as her own.

Maybe its her ignorance of world politics, communist states, or name brands that allows her to concentrate on shooting fundamentals when using it.

Your assertions may be true - I just haven't seen it.

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gushulak said:
Norinco M4=Chinese piece of trash.

Buy a real AR. Will have to spend a bit more, but at least you will have the real thing.....and it will work.

If you see an AR for $900, it is probably too good to be true. Spend $900 on an AR and you have a nice piece of Chinese trash.

Spend a couple hundred more and get a real rifle.
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blah blah blah....

Typical BS from someone who does not own a Norinco CQ. I remember hearing the same thing about the Norinco M14's, until everyone started to realize that the forged Chinese receivers were better than the cheaper USA cast receivers that have been know to be out of spec.

The Imperial Defense AR's are being cast in the same light. I think we have too much USA envy since they don't want to sell use their guns - we think they must be better. I would prefer to purchase a CANADIAN AR, the US can keep their 'protectionism policies' and the guns that go along with it.

Anyways handled a Bushmaster AR yesterday, no different than a CQ or a Imperial Defense AR.

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Man... the more responses I read on this thread, the more I want the Norinco just because it's such a good price. It works, it looks good... fit and finish, who knows. At least I'll have $$$ left over to buy a Russian SKS and a crate of ammo. Heck, I want to buy another SKS, but an unfired one!

And then I'll be wanting a scope and light for the M4 just for looks. I haven't bought anything yet and I'm out $2k already. LOL!
 
clang said:
blah blah blah....

Typical BS from someone who does not own a Norinco CQ. I remember hearing the same thing about the Norinco M14's, until everyone started to realize that the forged Chinese receivers were better than the cheaper USA cast receivers that have been know to be out of spec.

The Imperial Defense AR's are being cast in the same light. I think we have too much USA envy since they don't want to sell use their guns - we think they must be better. I would prefer to purchase a CANADIAN AR, the US can keep their 'protectionism policies' and the guns that go along with it.

Anyways handled a Bushmaster AR yesterday, no different than a CQ or a Imperial Defense AR.

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Just fire a couple 1000 rounds through it and you will eventually see the difference! Not sure about the Imperial defense rifles though.
 
john777 said:
Man... the more responses I read on this thread, the more I want the Norinco just because it's such a good price. It works, it looks good... fit and finish, who knows.
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It works YES, the price is good YES, However the Fit & Finish, more the Finish, is absolute crap, thats the only problem I have herd with this rifle....
 
50calshooter said:
It works YES, the price is good YES, However the Fit & Finish, more the Finish, is absolute crap, thats the only problem I have herd with this rifle....
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It is not absolute crap.
It might be lacking, but it is not absolute crap.

By all means, if fit and finish are worth 500$ to you, then knock yourself out.

I think the fit and finish are fine. Especially given the fact that I manage to ding and scrape everything I touch.

That concludes my subjective two cents.
 
I never meant it that way, for the money I'd buy one, I got no problems with it, I wouldnt buy it for my primary, go to rifle, but for the wife or to let friends use for sure, you cant go wrong for that kind of money......
 
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Leibermuster said:
Just fire a couple 1000 rounds through it and you will eventually see the difference! Not sure about the Imperial defense rifles though.
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Given that the Norc upper (the bit that you would expect to have problems) is F/A, and the barrel is chrome lined, exactly what problems do you expect to see in rifles that are fired at most 10 rounds at a time in semi-auto mode only?? You might wear out the springs (I doubt it, but I suppose that's possible) and Wolff will sell you a new set for $40. You probably will scratch the finish, if you're concerned about that Krylon can fix it for $20.
 
gushulak said:
Norinco M4=Chinese piece of trash.

Buy a real AR. Will have to spend a bit more, but at least you will have the real thing.....and it will work.

If you see an AR for $900, it is probably too good to be true. Spend $900 on an AR and you have a nice piece of Chinese trash.

Spend a couple hundred more and get a real rifle.
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Funny, few weeks ago I traded some 308 through my norc for some 223 outta a guy's AR15s, a bushmaster and a norc. Fired 10 rounds outta both, couldn't tell the difference at all... Not in trigger, accuracy, or handling.
 
50calshooter said:
It works YES, the price is good YES, However the Fit & Finish, more the Finish, is absolute crap, thats the only problem I have herd with this rifle....
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I dunno about this 'fit and finish' everyone is talking about, the CQA I just picked up looks great, maybe there was a problem with the earlier CQ-311 rifles, the batch I was looking @ the local Gun Shop all looked great.

The fit comment is also a bit suspicions, I have pick up some good olde USA built rifles at the local shop, and boy do some of them need work to get the bolt to glide effortlessly. I don't think anyone can generalize on the qualify of a rifle base on where it is made, I get the feeling that alot of people will not give any other manufactures except USA made rifles a chance and that goes to the Euros manufactures also (Just look @ the comments about the Tikkas Plastic = bad, except if it is on a AR15 or a Glock then plastic = good, pretty small minded in my option). I have read numerous comments about fit issues when guys build rifles with mis-matched uppers and lowers, anyways someone complains about someone being out of spec, so obviously some USA manufactures qualify control are better the others.


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olegs69 said:
Seriously, were you sodomized by Norinco as a child or something?
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LOL!

So far, I haven't even read one post about a Norinco M4 owner with major complaints. The only complaint would probably be fit and finish. I don't plan to shoot mine all the time (wait a minute, I didn't buy one yet... But I probably will, even sight unseen... but I'll play with it first at the store). It's a nice item to look at for those who do not wish to dump an extra $600 more on a real AR, I figure. Sure, I would love to, but oh well... I can't justify it. Worse case, I'll play with my cousin's american made AR15 in Cali and take it out into the desert (i would provide the name, but I don't know for sure, but he spent $1400USD for it and then added a scope on top of that). When I showed him what I wanted to get for $879, he was stunned b/c it looked just like his for so much less.

He started thinking about the political issues and all and wouldn't buy it personally but he changed his mind again b/c it's too darn cheap to pass up on.

Now, wouldn't it be amazing if I can take that to Cali and go shooting with him in the desert. Oh well... Guess that will never happen.
 
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