Bullets and loads we wish were still available.

Pickles said:
I've got an old Gevelot catalog from the Saskatoon plant. They had some interesting loadings back then.
We used to live down the road from the plant and my dad was friends with some of them and always had a good supply of ammo.:D

I have 2 full boxes of Imperial 250 Savage that I'm sure I'll never shoot but kind of neat to have.


I wish the 257 100 grain Silvertip was made, killed a couple of deer with these.
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I have 2 boxes of Gevelot ammo in 7x57, 154gr. FS
 
In one day this site has become a history of nostalgia. KKSP were virtually all that was available when I bought my .30-06. Dominion brass was the mouse built to military specifications and turned out to be an elephant. The brass though had huge weight variations 17 grains and 23 grain over two boxes of brass when I first heard about segregating brass by weight.
 
horseman2 said:
In one day this site has become a history of nostalgia. KKSP were virtually all that was available when I bought my .30-06. Dominion brass was the mouse built to military specifications and turned out to be an elephant. The brass though had huge weight variations 17 grains and 23 grain over two boxes of brass when I first heard about segregating brass by weight.
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Good morning, glad to hear from someone who also cut their teeth on that type of ammo.
I had a smile at your phrase, "--when I first heard about segregating brass by weight."
Yes, one Dominion brass case was just like another, so we loaded them up. I guess it was the modern reloaders that got us doing such things as weighing the empty brass. Until then, it didn't matter if one was heavier than another. I'm not even sure our shooting suffered from it.
 
I had less than stellar results with the "Imperial" line of ammo. I found that case necks cracked very easily, often after the first or second reload and the one time we chronographed a few rounds of 7mm RM 150gr the average came up around 2800 fps. Not that a few rounds are representative of the entire spectrum of ammo they offered, but still, it was a dissapointment.

Then again, I have never used the older .303 and .30-30 ammo on game, so I can't speak to those older Dominion loadings. I do have some Dominion .250-3000, 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, .303 British and 8x56 Mannlicher-Schoenauer kicking around. Perhaps I need to try some out on game this season...

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I like the 30-30 saber tips. I still have a whole lot of them. Factory loaded, and bullets for reloading. The yellow tips are 170gr, and the blues are 150s.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
As distinctive looking and as popular as I remember the Silvertips being, it has always amazed me they were never continued:confused:.
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Well, they are still available in factory ammo. They discontinued sales of the component bullets about 15 years back. I think that people who wanted cheap bullets bought the PowerPoints, and people who wanted premiums bought Noslers and so forth. I believe the Silvertip just declined in sales. Too bad, I'd love to get them for my .250-3000 and .30-30.
 
Kilo Charlie said:
Well, they are still available in factory ammo. They discontinued sales of the component bullets about 15 years back. I think that people who wanted cheap bullets bought the PowerPoints, and people who wanted premiums bought Noslers and so forth. I believe the Silvertip just declined in sales. Too bad, I'd love to get them for my .250-3000 and .30-30.
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The Silvertip that is available today is not the same bullet as the old one. Not at all. They are two completely different bullets. :)

Ted
 
Why not? said:
The Silvertip that is available today is not the same bullet as the old one. Not at all. They are two completely different bullets. :)

Ted
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Exactly. ;)I'm still in the hunt of virtually any of the old/original Silvertips and any weight for my Winchester model 71, 348 WCF:). Them in the rifle would be a classic combo to hunt with in the coming year. Spring Bear comes to mind:D.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Exactly. ;)I'm still in the hunt of virtually any of the old/original Silvertips and any weight for my Winchester model 71, 348 WCF:). Them in the rifle would be a classic combo to hunt with in the coming year. Spring Bear comes to mind:D.
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So what changed? I didn't realize the Silvertip had changed. Mind you, it's only available in a very few chamberings now: .250 Savage,.270 Win, .30-30, .308 Win, .30-06, .348 and .358 Winchester.
Unless you and Ted mean the BALLISTIC Silvertip, which is a completely different bullet available as an alternative to the real Silvertip.
 
Kilo Charlie said:
So what changed? I didn't realize the Silvertip had changed. Mind you, it's only available in a very few chamberings now: .250 Savage,.270 Win, .30-30, .308 Win, .30-06, .348 and .358 Winchester.
Unless you and Ted mean the BALLISTIC Silvertip, which is a completely different bullet available as an alternative to the real Silvertip.
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:redface:I must admit, I was under the impression that, in reality, the Silvertip bullet was no longer available. Then, after seeing your post, I checked their website and I was pleasantly suprised. I was further suprised as by their advert, it also appears 348 WCF ammo is once more being produced!! Tell me that is so! Anyway, on the advert for the 348 cartridge and the 200gr Silvertip bullet pictured, as close as I can tell, has a sharper nose than the old ones I was lucky enough to obtain, pictured in the photo on my post # 37. Perhaps Ted can shed a little light as to the difference between new and old. In the meantime, I'll see if I can contact Winchester for some better defination and/or clarification as to what's available in the way of Silvertip bullets, and the actual difference if any.
 
That's great! Glad that they would still have the original. It has been so long since I bought factory ammo, that I thought all they produced now was the Ballistic Silvertip. :redface:

Ted
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Just sent 'them' an e-mail. I'll let you know the response.
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I have some recent production Silver-Tips (old style, not Ballistic Silvertips) in .308 Winchester (180gr), .30-30 (170 gr) and .250 Savage (100gr). In fact, I shot a white-tail and a black-tail with the .250 Savage loads.
 
Does any of these guys bring back some memories?
Note the 44 Colt. I think this was the US army official pistol calibre for a couple of years. I also think UMC was prior to 1911, when they joined Remington, but may be out on the date.
In the top picture, upper left, that 30 W.C.F. does not have a shot, or defective primer, that is just the way is made. Too bad we can't detect ages.
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1899 said:
I have some recent production Silver-Tips (old style, not Ballistic Silvertips) in .308 Winchester (180gr), .30-30 (170 gr) and .250 Savage (100gr). In fact, I shot a white-tail and a black-tail with the .250 Savage loads.
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Quite a few years back when I first got a 300 WM, the first factory ammo I got for it was Winchester factory 180gr Silvertip. As I recall, they shot fairly well and the performance on two Moose was excellant. Shortly thereafter, they just seemed to drop off the radar screen and as I was just getting into reloading, I moved on to a number of other products.

I thought of the Silvertip bullets every once in a while, especially when I'd spot the odd box of them at gunshows. Still, it wasn't often I came across them. When I got my model 71 Winchester, the first box of ammo I found and fired was a box of Silvertips. Shortly after, Bruce (H4831) picked up a box for me that I've kept, primarily for photo ops but it did renew my interest in them.

In a number of calibers I have been and am changing over to Barnes TTSX but for the 348 and if I can find a 'supply', I'd like to stick with Silvertips. As/post #37, I have found a couple of boxes of those bullets but I'm a little reluctant to burn them up, just incase I can't find more. I'll wait patiently for positive word, hopefully, from my inquiry to Winchester.
 
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