Bullets vs Kevlar

airwapiti said:
ask the british guy i watched get hauled away. the bullet went in over his ballistic plate on the front and bounced twice inside his vest(plates front and back)coming out near his waist on the same side it went in. he went home in a bag.
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That is very impressive ballistic performance from a pistol round. Two (or four?) times the width of a human torso would be about 24" of penetration.

Of course now you are also referring to plates and not a vest, so it is getting a little confusing.
 
okay my fault for being unclear. this guy wasn't hit with a pistol, it was a rifle and it was probably 8mm mauser or 7.62 x 54. this was in the ninetys in the former yugo. the brits never caught the shooter but they figure the shooter was up about two stories when he shot. the ceramic ballistic plates were stored in a pouch on the outside of the kevlar vest and are designed to cover the vital areas. the bullet going in missed both the kevlar and the plates. i understand the skeptics, but my point is this, once you get that bullet to penetrate, and if it has enough juice left in it, and it doesn't tumble or break apart or do those things we know bullets can do, it could bounce off the back causing a more grevious injury. overconfidence in kevlar on a two way range is a dangerous thing.
 
airwapiti said:
okay my fault for being unclear. this guy wasn't hit with a pistol, it was a rifle and it was probably 8mm mauser or 7.62 x 54. this was in the ninetys in the former yugo. the brits never caught the shooter but they figure the shooter was up about two stories when he shot. the ceramic ballistic plates were stored in a pouch on the outside of the kevlar vest and are designed to cover the vital areas. the bullet going in missed both the kevlar and the plates. i understand the skeptics, but my point is this, once you get that bullet to penetrate, and if it has enough juice left in it, and it doesn't tumble or break apart or do those things we know bullets can do, it could bounce off the back causing a more grevious injury. overconfidence in kevlar on a two way range is a dangerous thing.
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Well this incident if it transpired exactly as you indicated does not make your case. We were discussing kevlar, and a soft vest will not deflect a bullet, a plate will. It also will not stop a rifle bullet, and requires a plate. Rifle bullets that transect your body once stand a pretty good chance of killing you anyway, so the rare instance where the bullet misses a plate and runs through you is really not a good reason for not wearing a plate.There are plenty more instances where the plate stops the bullet. I don't see anyone out there thinking they are impervious to harm because they wear a vest. Most folks are perfectly content not to have bullets impacting anywhere on their body, and are well aware that the vest covers at best about 25% of their body.
 
Suputin said:
Yes but it is some of the most important 25% that you have. :)
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And that generates overconfidence in a vest how? Getting shot in any of the remaining 75% is generally avoided by most people anyway.
 
IDPACONVERT said:
Hey bbb what type of plate is that, are they anything like the Second Chance K30 plates that come wraped in a Spall ?
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its a 3mm steel plate from 2nd chance

You guys talking about geting hit with or without a hard plate.
Trust me its not fun, getting shot will fu*k you up no matter what, lung, spine,whatever take a really hard shi*kicking.
Ive seen people to into a coma after getting hit in 762 in a level 4 plate.
Vests don,t come with a big S stamped on them so lets not play superman.
Keep your head low,eyes on the target, and pump that f*@ker full of lead before he does the same to you.
bbb
 
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