Bump Fire Stock

You really think getting cosied up with the Liberal/NDP/Green party will let you keep your guns?

All gun ownership is "yahoo behaviour" to them.

Don't give them an inch. Don't cater to anything to make them feel more comfortable. That is exactly how we lose rights in the first place.

I'm certainly not getting "cosied" up to those guys or even the tory's, especially after they recently let the RCMP loose. Go ahead make as much noise as you like, the media would love a story like this. I can see the headlines now - "Canada's assault weapon owners show us how to turn their semi-auto weapons into prohibited machine guns". The antis will say, "see told you so, they're all wanna be Rambo's waiting to go nutz". Just don't cry when they issue the confiscation notices and come knocking on your door.

And remember Canadians don't have any gun rights - gun ownership is a privilege.
 
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I prefer to shoot my guns SAFELY and in a fashion that isn't going to warrant unwanted attention from the police or the media. You like explaining yourself over and over to some gun-law clueless cop? Fine. I don't. Nor do I like the idea of having my guns seized so they can determine whether or not my "bad scary black" firearm is an "illegally converted machine gun".
Do I sit there and count the seconds between shots at the range? No, of course not. I double tap figure 11's and IPSC targets, empty the odd mag quickly, practice for the summer service rifle and 3-gun matches and in general enjoy my semi-auto rifles the way they were meant to be enjoyed, safely.
Face it, pal. Whether you like it or not, this is a gun-hostile culture we live in. I don't like it, and neither do you, but it's one one of those things we work to change over time through educating the public and winning our battles one at a time. The pendulum is starting to swing the other way. Maybe not as fast as some would like, not as fast as I would like, but I'm not about to endanger that by acting like an idiot with my legally owned semi-autos to make some "because I can" statement that will bring more bad will than it's worth.

Very well said.
 

Yup. Wrap it around the back of the trigger, around the magwell and back over the other side of the trigger.

Rubber bands are now machine guns. Fun eh?

As for the legality of all this ####... Legislation does not dictate morality.
 
I don't see the point of Bump Firing with 5 rounds in the mag. Event with a ten rounds. lol Shooting 30 rounds in full auto take less than 3 s. How much time your 5 rounds stand???? There is no point of doing that! You will just help anti gun people to remove our privilege. :( I can't beleive you talking about that publicly. But it's your right to follow the law on the edge.

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Why are there so many closet antis on this forum bending over to laws that may not even exist?

I bump fire whatever I want.

Call the RCMP if you don't like it.
 
Absolutely. While I didn't really see the big deal with owning one of these, I think everyone should buy one. Just because they're NOT illegal, and we CAN. CBSA can stop the occasional one coming over the border, unfortunately, whether or not it's technically legal for them to do so.

It's unfortunate that most of us are afraid - with good reason! - to exercise all of our firearm rights... and yet CBSA can be used as a tool to stomp all over our rights, whether or not it's legal for them to do so.

Actually they are illegal and they ARE considered a PROHIBITED device in Canada. You should not encourage illegal activities, such as the importation of prohibited items.

Please don't confuse facts with your opinion.

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seems like good anti arguments against us.... now they can have evil autos. ban all semis.

You can make a fully-automatic firearm with a few lengths of pipe, pipe fittings, a couple springs and some sheet metal.

You can't un-invent firearms and banning them is pointless.
 
Actually they are illegal and they ARE considered a PROHIBITED device in Canada. You should not encourage illegal activities, such as the importation of prohibited items.

Please don't confuse facts with your opinion.

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Really. Don't think so. Show me where you get this information. I found nothing in the Act or anywhere else in current law that indicated this was a prohibited device. Nor have I seen a ruling specific to this device.

As you're not providing any specific references, I believe YOU'RE the one confusing facts with your opinion. But please, feel free to prove me wrong. I always welcome the opportunity to be enlightened.



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Those stocks are legal here in the US and I plan on getting one just for the fun of it. My buddy in Arkansas has one and he can do controlled bursts or fire one round at a time with his. He admits it takes a little practice but not a hard thing to learn.
I may get a visit from the local police but plan on having the ATF letter with me saying it's legal.
Yes we can own full auto weapons here with the proper license but the guns themselves are very expensive and I can't afford one. The tax stamp is only $200.00 but that also allows the ATF to have access to our guns at any time they choose. Auto weapons also have to be properly stored too which isn't a requirement here for other types of guns.
 
CobraGT, These stocks are NOT legal in Canada. Do not attempt to import them or you could be fined (or charged) and you will have them confiscated at your cost. If you already have one I'd suggest destroying it, as if you are caught with it you could also be charged. The "bump fire" stock is a PROHIBITED DEVICE in Canada.

You can call the CFO and ask them why they are prohibited. Unfortunately this is not my opinion but fact!

This is not a debate about "IF" we should be allow to own them or not. I can tell you what I'm saying is the truth, as dumb as it is to prohibit a stock.

~Shooter :)
 
CobraGT, These stocks are NOT legal in Canada. Do not attempt to import them or you could be fined (or charged) and you will have them confiscated at your cost. If you already have one I'd suggest destroying it, as if you are caught with it you could also be charged. The "bump fire" stock is a PROHIBITED DEVICE in Canada.

You can call the CFO and ask them why they are prohibited. Unfortunately this is not my opinion but fact!

This is not a debate about "IF" we should be allow to own them or not. I can tell you what I'm saying is the truth, as dumb as it is to prohibit a stock.

~Shooter :)

Can you post the documentation for this so we have a concrete fact to repeat to anyone who asks about them?
 
I don't see the point of Bump Firing with 5 rounds in the mag. Event with a ten rounds. lol Shooting 30 rounds in full auto take less than 3 s. How much time your 5 rounds stand???? There is no point of doing that! You will just help anti gun people to remove our privilege. :( I can't beleive you talking about that publicly. But it's your right to follow the law on the edge.

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The fact that owning a gun is a privilege in the first place is what is wrong with this country.
You don't own anything, the crown allows you the use of what you purchase until they feel otherwise.
 
CobraGT, These stocks are NOT legal in Canada. Do not attempt to import them or you could be fined (or charged) and you will have them confiscated at your cost. If you already have one I'd suggest destroying it, as if you are caught with it you could also be charged. The "bump fire" stock is a PROHIBITED DEVICE in Canada.

You can call the CFO and ask them why they are prohibited. Unfortunately this is not my opinion but fact!

This is not a debate about "IF" we should be allow to own them or not. I can tell you what I'm saying is the truth, as dumb as it is to prohibit a stock.

~Shooter :)

Still waiting for you to clarify how you came by this information. Based on this post, am I assuming that you personally spoke with the CFO, and were personally told that this is a prohibited device? Or is this the usual "a friend of a friend said they spoke to someone who said that..." sort of stuff that I so often see floating around CGN? Please clarify who you spoke to, and specifically what you were told, so I can follow up myself. Thanks.

I can personally tell you that I spoke with Laura (I think that was her name, anyway) at Slidefire last year, and that I was told that they were checking into the legality of the stocks in Canada before they shipped them here. After checking into it, they determined them to be legal here (specifically how they determined this, I don't know), and shipped at least one AR15 stock to Canada, which I owned for a time, before I sold it.

From what I understand, they shipped a number of them here in addition to the one I owned. Between that time and now, I have heard that they have stopped shipping them here, but I can not personally confirm this, or if this is true, why it is the case. I also cannot confirm whether or not CBSA is stopping them from crossing the border, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Finally, I wouldn't personally purchase one down there and try to import it myself, or encourage anyone else to, as I suspect these are regulated under ITAR - however, if a business down there is willing to sell it to you and ship it up, well, then, the expectation is that they are complying with ITAR. This is why I bought mine directly from Slidefire - I wanted to make sure I wasn't violating any laws, US or Canadian.

Edited to add: I know that it doesn't directly reflect on the legality of the stock here, but for what it's worth, I just received the following in an email from Chris, the Customer Service Director at Slide Fire:

"Due to the fact that we cannot be experts on the laws of countries other than our own, we made the decision to not export outside of the US at this time. We haven’t heard any reports of our products not being legal anywhere, but decided to proceed with caution to be sure. We are working on offering our products in several other countries including Canada, but we don’t know for sure what the time frame is"
 
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I also cannot confirm whether or not CBSA is stopping them from crossing the border, but it wouldn't surprise me.

And just to add, that the CBSA has been known to stop things from being imported that THEY think are prohibited even though they are not according to say the RCMP for instance. I've talked to the CBSA before and was told an item was prohibited yet had people at the RCMP say it wasn't.
 
I think these are stupid, much like fake suppressors.

It's not hard to bump fire a rifle like an AR, so why the need for a dedicated stock for it? Bump firing loses its novelty after a few bursts. Sure its fun to hear the sound of rapid shots leaving your barrel, but their really is no purpose. Silly to have a stock dedicated to it, but thats just my opinion. Luckily we live in countries were we have the option to do stuff such as this :p
 
I think these are stupid, much like fake suppressors.

It's not hard to bump fire a rifle like an AR, so why the need for a dedicated stock for it? Bump firing loses its novelty after a few bursts. Sure its fun to hear the sound of rapid shots leaving your barrel, but their really is no purpose. Silly to have a stock dedicated to it, but thats just my opinion.

I'm guessing you've never actually tried one of these stocks? I owned one for a while. These are nothing like fake suppressors - these aren't a 'fake' anything, they actually DO something. Having done the bump-fire-from-the-hip thing, and having fired full-auto back in the day, I can tell you that the effect of these stocks is a lot closer in feel to full-auto than traditional bump-firing. You can actually aim, stay on target, and control the gun.

So yes, I guess they're stupid.
 
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